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Post by jiminix on Nov 19, 2017 12:55:10 GMT -7
The sad case of Alabama and Roy Moore
Roy Moore is a bottomless pit of depravity and Alabama is entangled in an endless web of self-delusion. Time will rid us of Moore, but Alabama’s delusions may be permanent.
I thought that after Moore was elected to the state’s highest judicial office and booted out for flouting America’s judicial principles and the rule of law, that would be the end of his political career. But, no, it happened all over again, a virtual clone of the first time around. When his Senate campaign collided with the revelations that Moore’s religious/political “charity” was a scheme to launder charitable donations into his own personal income, a rational person might have thought the campaign would end. No, again, that’s all forgotten. He continued his claims to be the people’s greatest warrior against immorality. When he turns out to be a sexual child predator, what then?
I guess by this point it’s clear that there’s nothing that Alabama’s political leaders and Republican voters will hold Moore accountable for. The governor says she believes the women’s accusations against Moore, but she’s going to vote for him anyway. The state Republican party also is ignoring the revelations and solidly backing Moore.
Religious conservatives have turned out to be the most fraudulent and hypocritical faction in American politics.
Tony Perkins, head of the evangelical Family Research Council was one of the first during the primary season to tell evangelicals that they should vote for Trump in spite of any moral convictions they had. This week, Ohio representative Wesley Goodman abruptly resigned after being discovered having sex with another man in his congressional office. The story came out that FRC had sponsored an event for Goodman when he first ran for office, and at that event Goodman had sexually molested a sleeping male teenager. Tony Perkins assured the teenager’s father it would be taken seriously, but neither Perkins nor the father was willing to jeopardize Goodman’s election by going public. After Goodman’s resignation, it emerged that the incident was a harbinger of his conduct throughout his career in office.
Trump claimed he would “drain the swamp” in Washington, but it turns out, Trump and his biggest supporters ARE the swamp.
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Post by forsight on Nov 19, 2017 17:24:17 GMT -7
What happened too the law innocent until proven guilty? What happened too Bill Cosby's case? Plus all the new cases of actors and others running for office being named as sexual harassers daily. This is how they get rid of people who are not "liked".Put more money in bank accounts of people who need some extra cash.Scream harass I guess Trump is not the only one draining the swamp,plus many are draining bank accounts.
Saw Ryan Seacrest has a accuser(female) tonight also?I thought the guy only liked males?
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Post by ranger06 on Nov 19, 2017 19:28:05 GMT -7
Like our good governor, I too will be voting for Moore. Is it because I believe his claims? No. He is as creditable as his accusers, but more so because he is the accused. It's up to the accusers to provide proof. So far I've seen no creditable proof or collaborating evidence. The number of accusers means nothing as each case must stand or fall on its own merits.
I view unsubstantiated claims with an extreme jaundiced eye as I was accused 4 times during my military career of sexual harassment. All 4 cases were dismissed by the 15-6 investigating officer for lack of evidence before I even had a chance to defend myself. So much for their credibility.
Additionally, I testified for the defense of a sexual harassment trial at a friend of mine's court-martial. It was my testimony that got the case thrown out. At the time/place that the three claimants stated the event happened, they were out with my 1st Sgt and me. The accused wasn't even there.
Even here in T-town there was a claim of rape, but there was no evidence that a rape had even happened.
The national GOP folks didn't listen when we elected Trump. They didn't listen when they dabbled in our local politics in the primaries and their pick got dumped. They are still not listening. I hope Moore becomes another Ron Paul thorn in their side for the next year.
I sat out the primaries because both choices stunk. Not sitting this one out.
Moore's stint in the senate is yet to be seen. But there is another benefit. Jones won't be there.
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Post by hoofie on Nov 20, 2017 6:17:15 GMT -7
The RNC has stopped supporting Moore. Senate leadership has shunned him. Alabama is taking a bad hit nationally by allowing an accused pedophile to even run, let alone get elected and the Democrat opponent has some bad cred as well. I don't see any way out of this and saving political face at the same time.
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Post by John Doe on Nov 20, 2017 6:55:14 GMT -7
since this thread primarily involves Roy Moore and Alabama i moved the thread to Alabama politics forum.
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Post by ranger06 on Nov 20, 2017 7:12:07 GMT -7
The RNC has stopped supporting Moore. Senate leadership has shunned him. Alabama is taking a bad hit nationally by allowing an accused pedophile to even run, let alone get elected and the Democrat opponent has some bad cred as well. I don't see any way out of this and saving political face at the same time. Of interest is that the state Republican party still supports him. Unsubstantiated pedophile accusations mean nothing.
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Post by hoofie on Nov 20, 2017 8:21:00 GMT -7
I was surprised to read the State party still supported him. I also understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty. The timing of all of this was curious too. However, there have been a few articles about how his habit of hanging out at the mall in Gadsden was no secret to the community.
If I still lived in Tuscaloosa County, I would not have voted for him at all. He has radical views about the law and I feel that he uses religion to advance his agenda. It's obvious that the appointment of Luther Strange was also a mistake, but that's another drama from Montgomery. Y'all might have to tolerate a Democrat for a spell.
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Post by Entimos on Dec 8, 2017 13:07:17 GMT -7
Well, the Dems are eating their own (Franken and Conyers), Roy Moore has the support of Trump and the GOP, Moore leads the race again, the woman who alleged the assault when she was 14 has a lot of holes in her story and the accuser who brought out the yearbook now admits that she wrote part of the inscription.
Oops.
All of this reminds us all that it takes time to get the whole picture....it's the reason that we have due process instead of lynching as our preferred method of justice.
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Post by hoofie on Dec 8, 2017 15:02:48 GMT -7
Franken is a ruse and his resignation will happen if Moore is not elected. Conyers is the poster child for term limits.
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Post by jiminix on Dec 9, 2017 14:45:51 GMT -7
Well, the Dems are eating their own (Franken and Conyers), Roy Moore has the support of Trump and the GOP, Moore leads the race again, the woman who alleged the assault when she was 14 has a lot of holes in her story and the accuser who brought out the yearbook now admits that she wrote part of the inscription. Oops. All of this reminds us all that it takes time to get the whole picture....it's the reason that we have due process instead of lynching as our preferred method of justice. Even prominent supporters of Moore acknowledge that they believe the women's accusations. Your account of the yearbook is misleading - no "oops" there. The part that the woman says she wrote is the date and location, and "D.A." - identifying labels that a person might typically write on their own memorabilia. This was in printed letters by an obviously different hand following the script message and signature, which has been confirmed by handwriting analysis to belong to Roy Moore. There is a distinct difference between the Al Franken case and all the others. All the accusations against him refer to events in a very public venue with lots of people around - one of them even photographed with Franken's cooperation and publicized I believe by Franken himself. These were not things that Franken did in private and attempted to conceal. 4 of the 8 accusers are anonymous. Whatever he did, it was not sexual assault or sexual harassment. Some of the identified accusers said this was not something he should lose his job over. It hasn't emerged yet why Democrats are insisting on Franken's resignation. Most of it is probably just jumping on the bandwagon. I suspect NY Senator Gillebrand, the main instigator of the resignation demand, probably is trying to increase her national name recognition in hopes that her career arc will lead to a presidential run at some point in the future. Another theory floating around is that Democrat senators are trying to strengthen their issue credibility in order to demand the expulsion of Roy Moore in case he is elected. But that's something they shouldn't even pursue - if Moore is elected, let Republicans choose between getting tarred with Moore's slime and overriding the will of Alabama voters.
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Post by jiminix on Dec 9, 2017 15:36:58 GMT -7
Franken is a ruse and his resignation will happen if Moore is not elected. I don't see any ruse there. Franken is being pushed out, not agreeing that the accusations would warrant expulsion even if they were true. I'm inclined to think that the accusations rest on an interpretation of Franken's action, rather than on the action itself. Conyers is the poster child for term limits. I completely agree, but any federal term limit law for congress is unconstitutional. And state politicians certainly are not going to pass term limits on a job that most of them aspire to eventually get entrenched into.
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