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Post by osha on Feb 14, 2018 14:54:51 GMT -7
What ever happened to the founding concept of a government "of the people, for the people, and by the people"? That got traded to a government for the corporations, by the corporations. We got sold to the highest bidder.
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Post by John Doe on Feb 14, 2018 18:00:30 GMT -7
What ever the government 'gives' it can also take away. Social security was intended to help widows, orphans, and disabled from WWII. The tax collected went to a trust fund and was locked there until (I believe) the Nixon administration started the practice of borrowing from it. Speaking of Social Security,,, POTUS 45 (despite promises on the campaign trail) wants to gut multiple things from section 8 housing to medicare, medicaid, Food Stamps, and End Heating Assistance Program, all so a billionaire can write of his vacation home and private jet and Donnie can build his wall (Remember the one Mexico was suppose to pay for?). it still needs to be approved by congress. WashPo Article ***NOT FAKE NEWS*** www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/02/12/trumps-budget-hits-poor-americans-the-hardest/?utm_term=.182f9ef81d70Read the budget!!! Budget From WhiteHouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/
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Post by hoofie on Feb 15, 2018 6:23:11 GMT -7
What ever the government 'gives' it can also take away. Social security was intended to help widows, orphans, and disabled from WWII. The tax collected went to a trust fund and was locked there until (I believe) the Nixon administration started the practice of borrowing from it. Speaking of Social Security,,, POTUS 45 (despite promises on the campaign trail) wants to gut multiple things from section 8 housing to medicare, medicaid, Food Stamps, and End Heating Assistance Program, all so a billionaire can write of his vacation home and private jet and Donnie can build his wall (Remember the one Mexico was suppose to pay for?). it still needs to be approved by congress. WashPo Article ***NOT FAKE NEWS*** www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/02/12/trumps-budget-hits-poor-americans-the-hardest/?utm_term=.182f9ef81d70Read the budget!!! Budget From WhiteHouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/The budget released by the President is merely his vision of how to appropriate funds in the fiscal year. Only Congress can appropriate. Rarely, if ever does the Congress align with POTUS. Over 2/3 of annual federal expenditures are for entitlement programs. Expenditures this year are expected to be just over $4 trillion. 1 billion seconds is 32 years. $1 trillion is $1 billion billion. I've grown up knowing that there is no gold watch and a pension waiting for me when I retire, while others check their food stamp balance with their $800 iPhone. In the long run, I'll be ahead when that day comes.
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Post by osha on Feb 20, 2018 2:20:50 GMT -7
The budget released by the President is merely his vision of how to appropriate funds in the fiscal year. Only Congress can appropriate. Rarely, if ever does the Congress align with POTUS. Over 2/3 of annual federal expenditures are for entitlement programs. Expenditures this year are expected to be just over $4 trillion. 1 billion seconds is 32 years. $1 trillion is $1 billion billion. I've grown up knowing that there is no gold watch and a pension waiting for me when I retire, while others check their food stamp balance with their $800 iPhone. In the long run, I'll be ahead when that day comes. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/dec/11/barbara-lee/barbara-lee-says-60-percent-people-food-assistance/money.cnn.com/2018/02/13/news/economy/food-stamps-what-to-know/index.htmlMost of the people getting food stamps are children and the rest are elderly and poor. You say they have an iPhone. And? Walmart was the largest pool of workers receiving food stamps. And those people go to work every day putting their boots on one foot at a time just like you do. Their employer pays crap wages and gives crap hours which forces your taxes to support them. But you blame the poor and that statement backs what I am saying. So if they go to work just like you do and can't make it, who is to blame? Do you blame the poor trying to make it or do you blame the people hiring these poor people? If they own an iPhone, so what? My wife and I have expensive phones and we are on food stamps. That is one of the small things we can afford in this world while we drive our cars that are both over (well) 10 years old. We finance our phones so we don't have to have a lump sum up front. And my wife works and I am disabled and for some reason, the right wing believes we should live in a cardboard box and shop in a trash can. When are we going to stop blaming the working poor for being poor? We are slaves to the rich while taxes are forced to pick up the slack. But yet the right keep supporting welfare for the rich but complains when people need to eat. Why? Why can't we look at those who have huge profits and create a system that has to work like this? No, instead break after break for those who have and less and less for those whom don't all while those who have create the need. It's not about a phone or a car or a home, it's about the slave drivers paying crap wages and creating a need for such a thing. Want to solve the need for food stamps? Force the top to pay more because if not your own taxes have to pay more. And this system built for the rich is what pits the people against each other while not seeing the real problem. Back before the 80s a person could work an average job and support a household. Much better earlier of course but it was possible. Now if takes two and we have these back and forths while trickle down economics has done nothing..... Ever! Not when Reagan started it and not now that Trump is banking on it, So instead of worrying about how the poor live, why don't we solve poverty and place the blame where it belongs?
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Post by hoofie on Feb 20, 2018 6:10:05 GMT -7
Paying top dollar for brainless work is what drove those jobs across the border and over seas. Walmart is not a career unless you advance to management. Same goes for all of the other minimum wage jobs. The work ethic today is as bad as I have ever seen.
There are over 70 programs aimed at poverty. The only result is more single parent families because it pays more. Multiple generations have been taught how to play the system rather than get an education and learn a vocation. Even a welder needs to know how to read, use measuring tools, and perform basic math.
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 20, 2018 7:22:02 GMT -7
Back before the 80s a person could work an average job and support a household. Much better earlier of course but it was possible. Now if takes two... Interesting. Back in the 70's I was single, supported myself and put myself through undergrad school. In the early 80's I married and was sole supporter of 3. In the 90's I was married, the sole supporter of 4, one being mentally handicaped and put myself through grad school. In the 2000's I was married and the sole supporter of 4, one being mentally handicaped and put 2 through undergrad and one through grad school. In the 2010's I was married, sole supporter of 4, one being mentally handicaped and put another through grad school. In the 2020's hopefully She Who Must Be Obeyed and me will be enjoying retirement, and I'll still be the sole supporter. Tell me again what was easier.
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Post by osha on Feb 20, 2018 13:50:37 GMT -7
Paying top dollar for brainless work is what drove those jobs across the border and over seas. Walmart is not a career unless you advance to management. Same goes for all of the other minimum wage jobs. The work ethic today is as bad as I have ever seen. There are over 70 programs aimed at poverty. The only result is more single parent families because it pays more. Multiple generations have been taught how to play the system rather than get an education and learn a vocation. Even a welder needs to know how to read, use measuring tools, and perform basic math. Paying a living wage for jobs that have to be done. Doesn't matter if you conceive it as brainless work or not, the jobs have to be done. We live in an economy that supports the idea of single households. And that is because the government is motivated by profits. Kick the guy out of the family and charge poundage of his child support. Do we think the government does not want that extra income? Not everyone can walk out and land a great job. I would even say that you would be in a world of hurt if people walked off these "brainless jobs" you speak of.
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Post by osha on Feb 20, 2018 13:54:19 GMT -7
Back before the 80s a person could work an average job and support a household. Much better earlier of course but it was possible. Now if takes two... Interesting. Back in the 70's I was single, supported myself and put myself through undergrad school. In the early 80's I married and was sole supporter of 3. In the 90's I was married, the sole supporter of 4, one being mentally handicaped and put myself through grad school. In the 2000's I was married and the sole supporter of 4, one being mentally handicaped and put 2 through undergrad and one through grad school. In the 2010's I was married, sole supporter of 4, one being mentally handicaped and put another through grad school. In the 2020's hopefully She Who Must Be Obeyed and me will be enjoying retirement, and I'll still be the sole supporter. Tell me again what was easier. Okay, so you went through college when it was much cheaper and landed a good job. And when back to school when you had this good job and cheap education from yesteryear and think kids today have the same opportunities? Sorry, but the older people of today are living in lala land. There is no cheap college and there are no good jobs because very few are being created and the people who have them they hold on to them.
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Post by badman on Feb 20, 2018 18:28:51 GMT -7
osha wrote: "My wife and I have expensive phones and we are on food stamps. That is one of the small things we can afford in this world..."
I don't understand this reasoning. The possible number of folks who think likewise is disturbing. If I couldn't feed my family, no one here would have ever seen my posts.
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Post by osha on Feb 20, 2018 19:17:14 GMT -7
osha wrote: "My wife and I have expensive phones and we are on food stamps. That is one of the small things we can afford in this world..." I don't understand this reasoning. The possible number of folks who think likewise is disturbing. If I couldn't feed my family, no one here would have ever seen my posts. I look at things like this: Our circumstances is a means to which are needed. Life is always what you make of it. If you feel the need to have nice things, even the poor can have nice things with a bit of thought involved. I'm disabled and my wife provides a service to the public by working in a daycare. We are well below the poverty line for a family of our size. Now, I am buying a home because it is much cheaper then renting and we don't have what those whom are in better circumstances have. But, should we choose to live in a box and have nothing or expect the help and do the best we can and try and enjoy life? These choices are not always a trade off and programs allow the poor to have a chance at some sort of life. I will never roll over and play dead because a subset of society believes I should.
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Post by badman on Feb 20, 2018 20:08:55 GMT -7
Do you really feel entitled to take a portion of my efforts to feed your family while you have money to spend on "expensive phones" and the costs of service?
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Post by osha on Feb 20, 2018 20:13:38 GMT -7
Do you really feel entitled to take a portion of my efforts to feed your family while you have money to spend on "expensive phones" and the costs of service? So you think poverty means that people feel entitled? Let me return the question with do you think people should give life (time) to make others rich while the rich create the poor? The right has a bad habit of hating in the wrong direction.
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Post by badman on Feb 20, 2018 20:51:13 GMT -7
You are spinning. Try to answer my question.
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Post by osha on Feb 20, 2018 23:07:40 GMT -7
You are spinning. Try to answer my question. I'm not spinning anything. I simply answered your question with a question. It is the belief of myself and others I know (who work and are not disabled) that we should take care of others in need. And I myself did that for years without question before becoming disabled. We can pay taxes to kill others and the right is fine to be forced into that. We can police the world with that tax money and cause anger and beg for protection from causing anger and beg for the NSA to spy on us. But when asked to feed a child or help seniors or the disabled, we seem to draw a line. And usually, this idea has a religious stamp on it of some sort. So yes, I agree in helping those in need and I don't believe those in need should do without because one party believes they should because they need help. My expensive phones cost us 35 dollars a month. Please do tell how this effects and or reflects, in any way, how this impacts feeding a family of five? So you perhaps believe that you and your party should dictate how we spend our money? I am very glad you don't because the hate I've heard over the years would have me shot as worthless and would have my wife and kids living on beans in a cardboard box and working in a sweat shop for those beans.
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 21, 2018 2:56:46 GMT -7
Interesting. Back in the 70's I was single, supported myself and put myself through undergrad school. In the early 80's I married and was sole supporter of 3. In the 90's I was married, the sole supporter of 4, one being mentally handicaped and put myself through grad school. In the 2000's I was married and the sole supporter of 4, one being mentally handicaped and put 2 through undergrad and one through grad school. In the 2010's I was married, sole supporter of 4, one being mentally handicaped and put another through grad school. In the 2020's hopefully She Who Must Be Obeyed and me will be enjoying retirement, and I'll still be the sole supporter. Tell me again what was easier. Okay, so you went through college when it was much cheaper and landed a good job. And when back to school when you had this good job and cheap education from yesteryear and think kids today have the same opportunities? Sorry, but the older people of today are living in lala land. There is no cheap college and there are no good jobs because very few are being created and the people who have them they hold on to them. No, this generation has a far better rate of college grads, but to get this opportunity they still have to get off their pampered butts and work for it. College was cheaper in my day, but so was my $1.55/hr as top cook. I started as dishwasher at $0.95/hr. I worked through college, both undergrad and graduate school. Being less expensive hardy makes it affordable. In my year group, 18.6% of the males had a 4 year degree. In 2016 it was 33.3%. www.statista.com/statistics/184272/educational-attainment-of-college-diploma-or-higher-by-gender/ If education was so “cheap”, why did so few obtain it. Today this "too epensive" education is being obtained at twice the rate as in my day. The reason is affordability. No good jobs! Says who? I started at $690/month ($2760) as a graduate. Graduates now in my field command $60-$80,000/yr. Even a brand-spanking new 22 yr old 2LT in the Army makes over $36,000 (not including benefits like no dental/health care or housing costs and gets a food allowance). In 2 yrs that has gone to almost $42,000 (again, no dental/health care or housing costs and gets a food allowance). And 2 yrs later as a captain, this same new 26 yr old graduate makes almost $65,000 (again, no dental/health care or housing costs and gets a food allowance). In only 4 yrs this dude is at the median income. Don’t like the military? Go see your moniker namesake. A CSHO in OSHA starts as a GS- 9 ($44-$57K) or GS-11 ($53-$70 K). No good jobs being created? These two I mentioned are constantly advertising for new people. I’ve had friends ask me to help in their job hunt. Two weeks to the job offer is normal. I’ve had HR folks complain that they can’t find qualified people. You want to go to college? Earn it. If you have to work full time like my wife did and it takes 9 years, so be it. It took me 5 years working part time. You want a good paying job? Don’t get a worthless degree. This requires initiative, hard work. Staying home and crying because you think previous generations had it better only leaves you stuck in your own misery. Hell, my parents had the Great Depression, WWII, Korea, Vietnam and the Cold War. My generation had Vietnam, the Cold War, the Gulf Wars, Afghanistan and a hand full of recessions. You got it easy.
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