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Post by osha on Apr 15, 2018 22:45:23 GMT -7
I see the problems of today. Teachers can no longer discipline. Schools teach memorization rather than how to learn. Shop class and Home Ec no longer exist. Kids don't know how to cook, do laundry, or know how to use a screw driver. The other day, our 24 year old OCS salesman wanted to borrow a crescent wrench to remove a round hose fitting from the back of a coffee maker. Our schools are failing us but who runs the schools? School boards made up of parents that want the best for their children. The best being a high paid white collar job without having to work your way up the ladder. I didn't make this mess. I've succeeded in spite of it and so have my children. My 30 something daughter knows how to change oil in her car, fix a leaky sink drain, change a shower head, and generally fend for herself. She lives by herself in a rented housean has never been unemployed, even while earning 2 masters degrees. If you wait for the government to hand you a life, you're going to have a sore ass. You bring up valid points for sure. And I agree that discipline is lacking in homes and schools. We have children today that done bad things and only got sat down for a timeout. And we wonder why there is so much violence from the younger generations? They never got to learn that when you screw up, it hurts. I also agree that young people today are much dumber and my children and I talk about this all the time. When the schools are teaching that there is no wrong answer for things, we live in a liberal utopia where we are always concerned about hurting someones feelings. I think a major point of all this is school boards ran by people with an agenda and of course they want to satisfy the people who invest in them and those people want stupid people who will never question anything. And that is what the schools are creating. And these kids graduate and they have liberal ideas that are mostly way off in left field somewhere. Like I had a long argument one time with a couple liberals about how my guns are planning to kill me. It was funny but so unrealistic that it showed me how stupid people really could be. The information is out there everywhere though and this is my point, children today are being screwed. Wages have not followed inflation and have been nowhere close and in 1968 dollars wages are missing about 4 bucks. And there have been many articles online about young people today are going to be the first generation to make less then their parents. And although production is higher today then ever before, people are making less and your economic power in 1968 was much higher then a child today and yet the costs rise. Then we have companies creating a need and we blame the need on the people not creating the problem. Food stamps for instance. Walmart has historically been the largest pool of workers of the food stamp program. Walmart needs workers and people have to fill that space. Walmart gets huge tax breaks all while creating a need on the back of the tax payer. That is just one example but why can't we go after the problem instead of the result of the problem? For years I have been saying that health care is just like any other business. Without evidence and with my own logic I have been saying for years that doctors don't cure because they want returning customers. And just the other day an article was posted by Goldman Sachs saying the same thing. The US pays a lot of money for medical insurance. Why can't we shift the system? If we see the health care system as a liability instead of a way to continue making profits from sick people, we find cures and it is cheaper. The cost of education and stuff like this are all big issues. Sitting around silent or using tired old ideas to solve the problems is never going to work. People like ranger06 would love to just argue in circles with me using old ideas the system wants you to have faith in and in the end it solves nothing but pissing two people off. I would say the system is already giving many and soon to effect all a very sore ass.
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Post by osha on Apr 15, 2018 9:04:11 GMT -7
I guess being self made or self sufficient is no longer en vogue. I don't want the government to hand me anything because there are tentacles attached. I don't want government to control everything because it can't control itself let alone free enterprise. The function of government is to protect us from threats, both foreign and domestic, and maintain infrastructure for free enterprise. Didja know that there are over 6 million jobs open in this country today? Most high school graduates are not qualified for them, while the left continues to fight for open borders so that the entry level jobs (translation: jobs that teach you how to work) are taken by foreigners. Let that sink in. And how old are you hoofie? Think about that. I know many people. Of all the people I know the ones who have success are my age and I grew up in a different world then younger people today. Why can't you right wingers simply admit it is harder today? You can't because you live in an enclosed box and think back to your grand days and where you are today and with rose tinted glasses say "I did it and so can everyone else". That does not spell progress in any way. If you are unable to see the problems today you are contributing to the problems of today. And yours and my own generation has really enjoyed placing the burden on my children didn't we? In case you don't know what I am talking about, what about the debt? And you right wingers vote for war because we are the mighty, mighty USA. I truly can't wait till the day when we are punked. Really, I can't. Because we have killed millions of people in the world in the name of mostly BS and all with votes. And we wonder why the world is the way it is. Blah, two brain cells and people can see through the crap. Sadly most lack that ability and it shows.
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Post by osha on Apr 15, 2018 8:55:36 GMT -7
Osha's same old broken record again, and again, and again, and again, and again. And you are exactly the type of person I was talking about. Bit ironic eh?
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Post by osha on Apr 15, 2018 3:16:57 GMT -7
The problem with the right wing of the party is they are way to out of touch with the problems of today. They either have good jobs they have been at for a long time or they have 40 years of experience that no employer will turn you down for.
Most of them went to school when it was much cheaper and grew up in a booming economy. Here we are today with current generations slowing down with reproduction because they cannot pay for children. Many of the young people live with parents or friends because they cannot play the same games that previous generations played. There is no risk vs. reward system unless you are an investor. The reality is all the wealth is going to the top 10% while the right says "Quit whining".
These same people yelling "Quit whining" care less about their grand children because they had fun and screw the generations of today. They are climate change deniers and at the very least can't reflect and wow, maybe plastics in our oceans and CO2 from our cars is not a good thing... Nope, stop whining.
I have generally stopped talking about politics because we have three types of people. Those who understand, those who don't and those who believe in old ideas and live inside that box. it is impossible for many to think for themselves and step away from what the rich of course want you to think. They want the working poor to think they are middle class all because they make a check for working 60 hours a week for scraps. And they want you to think that a college education fixes everything. And sadly to many young people are living in the realities of this bs that has been fed to them from the start.
Believe the media and the rich white guys who own the media because they say the same things the media has been saying for years. And take comfort in your "statistics" that uses old ideas to try and tell you everything is fine. Because really, there is no special interests at all trying to keep you confident in that paper in you pocket you call money.
Just stop whining already and die like a good little idiot. The right wing answer to everything.
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Post by osha on Feb 26, 2018 1:33:10 GMT -7
I feel she is providing a service the public feels it needs. There are many things I don't agree with when it comes to the public but they create a demand and people need to fill that demand.
Besides, my wife is a good person and the kids love her. If a child has to go to a daycare, I'm glad it is my wife providing that service.
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Post by osha on Feb 25, 2018 20:10:43 GMT -7
Fair enough.
When I say it takes two, I don't mention it being mandatory. That can be two workers for more money or whatever. But if a household believes it takes two, it takes two. And that leaves children as I have said.
The article I posted about generations was posted in 2017. The graphic shows that in 2018 the baby boomers are no longer the top generation. Google can show you all kinds of links to back what I say.
I talked about capitalism being an experiment. That would be bad working on my part. The point I was trying to make is that inflation was nowhere near as high as it is today back in the day. And that link I posted shows that.
I will simply chalk this up as a failure to communicate and no,you are not fully to blame. But I think it's simply enough. You and I can go on about this for days and weeks and probably months and the outcome would not turn out that well. So better to just leave it.
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Post by osha on Feb 25, 2018 19:06:39 GMT -7
Please read any links I posted if you visit this thread and see the blowhard above loving to hear himself talk. Ok, you're a self professed blowhard loving to hear yourself talk (more likely - see what you wrote). But it still doesn't make your links agree with your claims. Show one, any one that comes close to backing you up. I showed where you failed to comprehend your links and that they showed you're wrong. Posts like yours are the reason there are few people visiting this forum. Ok, this ends now. You are trolling and trying to get a response. You have had problems on this forum before have you not? I have been very nice to you as you have called me an idiot. We will allow the readers to decide if the links I posted are on point or not. You are not the judge and jury or the post control on these forums. Just knock it off and move on.
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Post by osha on Feb 25, 2018 18:41:36 GMT -7
osha, change a word or two and you are basically suggesting exactly what us right wingers have been defending. Lowering a company's tax rate allows more money for wage increases. That directly affects reliance on government. If I give you a dollar, you get a dollar. If I have that dollar taken by government and forwarded to you..you would be lucky to get a quarter. I agree. I am a centrist and love my guns. I would do things a bit different then the right may agree with. I would up the tax on the rich high (like %50) and use the wage incentives to entice enough to make companies/rich want to up wages for the cut that they would cut the taxes down to current levels and maybe even below. As POTUS, I would see the benefit. Workers making more money means more tax revenue from these workers. It would also mean more people joining the job market and that would increase tax revenue. The cuts would be fine as the benefits would outweigh anything else. I would actually do the same type of things for other programs to lowers costs. Incentives for insurance companies who make medications and treatments more accessible and such. I really believe something like that could work. Not to even mention the huge cuts in food stamps this would make possible and the lowering of healthcare and such which saves the government more money.
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Post by osha on Feb 25, 2018 13:36:42 GMT -7
Please read any links I posted if you visit this thread and see the blowhard above loving to hear himself talk.
Cause (takes history) and effect (current result) is self explanatory to me. If it is not perhaps you should step back and do some self evaluation. People like him are the reason there are like 4 people visiting these forums.
Hoofie, I don't blame the rich as much as I blame wages. If I was POTUS, I would offer tax breaks to companies that pay workers higher. Reason would be that if we up minimum wage we raise the prices of everything else. Companies and investors hate the idea of paying more. But offer companies incentives in the form of a tax break (more profit) and that would be good for the company and the investors.
Result would be less reliance on government programs. Instead of attacking the issue of the working poor with a sword and slashing everything, go to the cause and find a solution.
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Post by osha on Feb 24, 2018 21:52:55 GMT -7
Showing that more families are dual earners (hence, 2 parents working) proves my point. I said: "Of course household incomes are higher and in some places individual incomes. In the 60s one worker could support a household and today it takes 2. Then we wonder why children who are not raised by parents shoot up schools left and right." That article does not refute what I have said at all. That article states that households now have more dual workers, I said even incomes are higher. I said we wonder why kids shoot up schools. More dual workers means more kids left alone or in daycare which translates to less parental influence. I was right. "If" millennials vote, your ideas are in trouble. www.cnn.com/2017/07/25/politics/brownstein-millennials-largest-voter-group-baby-boomers/index.htmlNow of course, seniors and Christians are the largest voting block. We will see but as time goes on these millennials have children and those children see parental ideas... Future will be interesting. modernfarmer.com/2017/07/trump-snap-benefit-cuts/Less always means less. We can't spend less and get more (except for maybe a beater vehicle). You are showing inflation rates. How much inflation goes up over time contributes to a whole. There is no way in hell that inflation was anywhere near as high as it it today in 1776. www.businessinsider.com/chart-inflation-since-1775-2013-1Nowhere near. So we could say experiment or we could reword that. I have read some Karl Marx stuff and much is earlier, but it's still the point, look at the graph. I don't really see any place at all where you are correcting me. Not even a little bit.
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Post by osha on Feb 24, 2018 20:07:35 GMT -7
osha, I've stopped and picked up many a hitchhiker in my 58 years. I don't recall ever slowing down for one sitting on his ass with his thumb stuck up. A large portion of the poor is working poor. They are not sitting around, they are trying to do what they need to do to survive.
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Post by osha on Feb 24, 2018 20:06:45 GMT -7
People in prisons will eat better then the people on the outsides. Trump wants to cut costs, do you think that means give the working poor more food? Really, honestly, with 100 percent curiosity.... How in the hell have you made it this far in life with all this ignorance you spew? Worthless garbage... Think, you have a brain and I am sure you might have the ability.
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Post by osha on Feb 24, 2018 15:59:59 GMT -7
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Post by osha on Feb 23, 2018 23:14:42 GMT -7
I don't mention myself but only for comparison sake. You right wingers are whining I have a cellphone. I myself am and have been very happy with my life. And you bragging about your success while children are starving talking about my "imagined compassion". I think I will allow that to be case and point in this topic. Nice to have had this talk with you. And here's another link that works: www.military.com/daily-news/2017/05/24/proposed-food-stamp-cuts-would-hit-military-families.htmlEnjoy...
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Post by osha on Feb 23, 2018 19:53:09 GMT -7
Who cares what box you claim to think outside of or even your imagined compassion, the proof is in the pudding. I'm enjoying the American dream, you're not. But be happy with the lot you chose. Since you won't open your eyes as to what people do that are successful, look at nature. What do animals do when the food or water supply runs low? Do they sit around on their lazy butts and cry, blame the government, blame earlier generations or gripe because they think others got it better? No, they move. If they think as you do, they die. What do animals do when there are too many predators? They move. Becoming something else's meal isn't part of their survival plan. What do animals do when mates are few? They move. The alternative is the loss of the species. And yes, animals do migrate. Why are you too good to do so? Capitalism wasn't new when the Constitution was written. It's been around since the 16th century (1500s) according to Karl Marx. The Constitution came around in the late 1780s. It was also in early Islam (700s). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CapitalismInflation has been with us since coins were first minted. Even China had it with paper money. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InflationNo, I didn't work all my life and got my job when WW2 ended and all those military men were coming home and using their money to start an economy. I wasn't even born yet. Besides, I am one of the men from the Iraq wars who came home and am doing great with all the money I saved. So are a whole bunch of my buddies. Well, I am glad I don't think inside your box. And imagined compassion? I happen to care about the poor and elderly and disabled, so imagined in your boxed, small mind. You show your lack of compassion by using animals as a means to back your flawed ideology. Animals don't pay rent/mortgage, animals don't buy food, animals don't need a car and a uhaul to move and insurance, animals don't have to plan for life as they act out of instinct. Why don't we talk about cause and effect? Why don't we find solutions to the problems instead of believing in cuts that create more poor and such? You're enjoying the fruits of your labor and bravo, proud of you, here, have a virtual pat on the back. But many people don't have the means to save and to even think about planning for retirement as they are to busy just trying to keep their head above water. Why don't we instead talk about wages following inflation? Or, why don't we get into the idea that if you wok, you should be able to at the very least support yourself? You right wingers and your own answers to problems are like regurgitated crap that you all seem to spew (is there a lack of compassion class somewhere?) and that crap solves no problem at all. What about the elderly and disabled in this country living on crumbs and most not even being able to buy their medications? Or, what about the children being raised in poor homes? Or, what about the cost of insurance? You talk about more wages and those wages mean nothing in the land of gains if inflation and insurance and such is eating up the cost of living. Hell, my sister and law pays more for health insurance then I pay for my mortgage. Here is some links for you so you can refute every one of them from your very tiny ideological box: Why should poverty be such a big problem in the richest nation on earth? federalsafetynet.com/us-poverty-statistics.html How do we tackle homelessness? www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2017-12-06/us-homeless-count-rises-pushed-by-crisis-on-the-west-coastGood jobs? www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-02-04/what-happened-to-all-the-good-jobsThis is not the years of old and all the new income is being shifted to the top. And still, we have tons of waste while people are struggling. And the answers that the right gives solves nothing. Trump wants to starve kids and families of the poor and the church vote to give tax cuts to the top (I'm sure their dunce of a God loves greed and hates the poor). Why don' we solve the problems and start with wages and inflation? We can and we should but nobody wants to talk about that. They instead rather argue back and forth about how they did well themselves. Well bravo, I'm sure a starving child is really proud of you. And military families are doing great. Can go and die for our country but can't even afford food: www.nbcnews.com/feature/in-plain-sight/hungry-heroes-25-percent-military-families-seek-food-aid-n180236
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