hitherm1
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Sanders/Warren 2020 Help this state outlaw the republican party inprison head dummy
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Post by hitherm1 on May 8, 2013 11:19:13 GMT -7
I went out of state this past weekend and when i was coming back down I-65 you could tell where the state line started, potholes, uncut grass and trash
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Post by propagandist on May 9, 2013 10:56:08 GMT -7
Just start taking what you want. If someone owns something and you covet it - just take it. If you like my new 6 series BMW convertible, why not take it from me? Likewise with my house on the lake. Walk in, live there, go swimming from my pier, and take my jet skis out for fun. That way, you can forget about Hurricane Creek access. Instead of whining about how it’s not fair and about how it wasn’t like this in the past, just take what you want from those who have it. Then you can finally be happy. If you are an employer who got your new BMW, your lake house, and jet skis by paying your employees the least you could legally get away with, way less than the amount they added to your wealth, doesn't that car belong more to them than to you? You still have some unpaid wages you owe them. They might just take it out in your BMW instead of cash. That also applies to investors who own stock in companies who act like that. My Mama would have whupped your butt.
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Post by JMHO on May 9, 2013 13:41:37 GMT -7
Just start taking what you want. If someone owns something and you covet it - just take it. If you like my new 6 series BMW convertible, why not take it from me? Likewise with my house on the lake. Walk in, live there, go swimming from my pier, and take my jet skis out for fun. That way, you can forget about Hurricane Creek access. Instead of whining about how it’s not fair and about how it wasn’t like this in the past, just take what you want from those who have it. Then you can finally be happy. If you are an employer who got your new BMW, your lake house, and jet skis by paying your employees the least you could legally get away with, way less than the amount they added to your wealth, doesn't that car belong more to them than to you? Not no, but Hell no. It belongs to the risk taker who started/owns the business, whose name is on the loan documents, whose BMW/house/jet skis may be taken/foreclosed upon should the risk prove unsuccessful or whose capital investment may shrink to nothing. An employer is not our parent and owes us nothing beyond what is legally due... safe working conditions, wages in line with market for similar work, tools to properly output the work. If the employer chooses to then add in health/dental/vision/other benefits, a matching 401K, vacation/holiday/sick time off (PTO), coffee, stock options, a defined benefit plan... then that employer is competing for the better qualified employees who will seek the best work environment. An employer does not owe you a job for life (minus any tenure application), nor jobs for sub-par employees, and certainly not a percentage of the profit unless your employment contract specifies otherwise. Wow.
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Post by Conservative Listillo on May 9, 2013 15:21:29 GMT -7
JMHO just made the post of the week. Well said.
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Post by nonameface on May 10, 2013 5:42:17 GMT -7
This thead is Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged condensed into something readable.
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Post by propagandist on May 11, 2013 14:46:26 GMT -7
If you are an employer who got your new BMW, your lake house, and jet skis by paying your employees the least you could legally get away with, way less than the amount they added to your wealth, doesn't that car belong more to them than to you? Not no, but Hell no. It belongs to the risk taker who started/owns the business, whose name is on the loan documents, whose BMW/house/jet skis may be taken/foreclosed upon should the risk prove unsuccessful or whose capital investment may shrink to nothing. An employer is not our parent and owes us nothing beyond what is legally due... safe working conditions, wages in line with market for similar work, tools to properly output the work. If the employer chooses to then add in health/dental/vision/other benefits, a matching 401K, vacation/holiday/sick time off (PTO), coffee, stock options, a defined benefit plan... then that employer is competing for the better qualified employees who will seek the best work environment. An employer does not owe you a job for life (minus any tenure application), nor jobs for sub-par employees, and certainly not a percentage of the profit unless your employment contract specifies otherwise. Wow. That so-called "risk taking" you speak about is a right wing economic MYTH which says, "greater risk, greater reward." That may have been true 400 years ago in the days of buying stock in sailing ships trading with the Indies spice trade. But not anymore.
The modern corporation insures that nobody bears any risk for anything.
You get to hide behind a sign that says:
ME, Inc.
Strip that corporation bare to pay you personally salaries, fees, etc., with which you buy your BMW, lake house, jet skis, etc. Those are now your personal property, unconnected with ME, Inc.
Any liability is charged against ME, Inc. and not me. If I screw up the business badly enough and creditors are suing and employees are threatening to hang me because their paychecks are bouncing --- ...
... --- all ME, Inc. has to do is to close up shop, declare bankruptcy, and let the creditors have at it.
Also, if all the capital equipment belongs to THEM, Inc. -- it is untouchable in a bankruptcy.
So, next month, THEM, Inc. starts up operation, doing the same thing, making the same amount of profit, screwing over any employees it can convince to work there, while enjoying the nice houses, boats, vacations, and other benefits of wealth the labor of all those employees expecting a weekly paycheck are producing.
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Post by propagandist on May 11, 2013 14:52:53 GMT -7
JMHO just made the post of the week. Well said. Read my post above, and your diddly brain might have some misconceptions exploded.
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Post by Conservative Listillo on May 11, 2013 15:42:32 GMT -7
JMHO just made the post of the week. Well said. Read my post above, and your diddly brain might have some misconceptions exploded.Get over yourself. JMHO did not mention big corporations. Just "businesses". Most businesses are run by individuals that risked and sometimes lost the house. Put your big roller away and paint with a brush instead. Drive around town and note how many business are local compared to corporate chains. Those local business employ your neighbors. That's why Businessmen cringe every time we hear the cut from the "you didn't build that" speech from our moron in chief.
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Post by nonameface on May 13, 2013 12:38:22 GMT -7
How many roads have you personally paved and maintained with your own bare hands?
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Post by propagandist on May 13, 2013 18:26:23 GMT -7
How many roads have you personally paved and maintained with your own bare hands? Back in the 1930s, they had a way for those who didn't pay taxes to pay their debt to society - 30 days on the county road crew. Let's bring down the bigwigs from GE to scrape some gravel on the roads for us.
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Post by Forum Poster on May 14, 2013 5:35:24 GMT -7
Just start taking what you want. If someone owns something and you covet it - just take it. If you like my new 6 series BMW convertible, why not take it from me? Likewise with my house on the lake. Walk in, live there, go swimming from my pier, and take my jet skis out for fun. That way, you can forget about Hurricane Creek access. Instead of whining about how it’s not fair and about how it wasn’t like this in the past, just take what you want from those who have it. Then you can finally be happy. False equivalency - a manufactured good is not the same thing as a natural resource. Ayn Rand herself would agree. Try again. Try again? Nope, my post stands, as written, it says what I intended to say. False equivalency - a manufactured good is not the same thing as a natural resource? I wasn't trying to equate the two. (But you can own either one.) I just said that instead of the Have-nots complaining about what the Haves have, just start taking it. Including land on that creek. They want the wealth, they look at it, they drool over it, they covet it, they'd like to take it. So, do it. Just like the Russian Revolution, go ahead and take the wealth. That's the whole point in fanning the flames of class warfare - to justify the taking. It's probably where we're headed. At the moment, however, there are Have-nots who would say it's wrong to simply take it away, but that will change once the propagandists become successful. Gain ownership of that land and other assets through a genuine revolution. Then you can finally be happy. And I've never read anything having to do with Ayn Rand.
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Post by nonameface on May 14, 2013 6:34:53 GMT -7
False equivalency - a manufactured good is not the same thing as a natural resource. Ayn Rand herself would agree. Try again. Try again? Nope, my post stands, as written, it says what I intended to say. False equivalency - a manufactured good is not the same thing as a natural resource? I wasn't trying to equate the two. (But you can own either one.) I just said that instead of the Have-nots complaining about what the Haves have, just start taking it. Including land on that creek. They want the wealth, they look at it, they drool over it, they covet it, they'd like to take it. So, do it. Just like the Russian Revolution, go ahead and take the wealth. That's the whole point in fanning the flames of class warfare - to justify the taking. It's probably where we're headed. At the moment, however, there are Have-nots who would say it's wrong to simply take it away, but that will change once the propagandists become successful. Gain ownership of that land and other assets through a genuine revolution. Then you can finally be happy. And I've never read anything having to do with Ayn Rand. The problem is your post says nothing substantial. You are making a hyperbolic rant that rests on the the presupposition that lementing the loss of public access to a creek equates to the Bolshevik mob taking your BMW and lakehouse. You and only you made that connection. You simply must pick up a copy of Atlas Shrugged. Her rants against the evils of working together to make a better civilization and fairy tales of unblemished selfless industrialists are right up your alley.
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Post by nonameface on May 14, 2013 6:35:18 GMT -7
double post
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Post by Forum Poster on May 14, 2013 7:20:21 GMT -7
You simply must pick up a copy of Atlas Shrugged. Okie dokie. I simply must, it's to die for! I wasn't ranting, I'm extra calm and relaxed. But the left isn't interested in America working together, they're interested in dividing and then dominating. Class war. And they will prevail, too.
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Buckeye
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The Game's Afoot
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Post by Buckeye on May 14, 2013 9:48:09 GMT -7
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