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Post by osha on May 8, 2017 17:21:49 GMT -7
Whoa man. The Bible also says the Lord helps them who help themselves. No, the Bible doesn't say that. Your right and I know that. I just ran with it lol.
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Post by badman on May 8, 2017 17:24:02 GMT -7
Kinda odd that someone who has read the Bible many times and proclaims to understand it would miss that.
osha, I think you would be wise to not judge God by the actions of man. If anything harmful has ever happened to you in the name of God, I am truly sorry.
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Post by badman on May 8, 2017 17:48:48 GMT -7
Politico made headlines last year when it was revealed that its former chief political correspondent Glenn Thrush, who now writes for the New York Times, asked Clinton’s former campaign chairman John Podesta for approval on a story he wrote about the Democrat’s 2016 campaign. “Because I have become a hack i will send u the whole section that pertains to u,” Thrush wrote in an email to Podesta, according to WikiLeaks. “Please don’t share or tell anyone I did this. Tell me if I f***ed anything up.” www.theblaze.com/news/2017/04/26/politicos-new-ceo-is-a-big-democratic-donor/Your turn, jiminix.
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Post by jiminix on May 8, 2017 18:45:33 GMT -7
Politico made headlines last year when it was revealed that its former chief political correspondent Glenn Thrush, who now writes for the New York Times, asked Clinton’s former campaign chairman John Podesta for approval on a story he wrote about the Democrat’s 2016 campaign. “Because I have become a hack i will send u the whole section that pertains to u,” Thrush wrote in an email to Podesta, according to WikiLeaks. “Please don’t share or tell anyone I did this. Tell me if I f***ed anything up.” www.theblaze.com/news/2017/04/26/politicos-new-ceo-is-a-big-democratic-donor/Your turn, jiminix. What a waste of time. Do you expect people to respond to everything you find in WikiLeaks or the Blaze? Even if this were true, so what? It's common and appropriate when an author writes an article about someone to allow them to respond to it before publication so that their response can be included. There was a time when WikiLeaks appeared to operate according to principles, but now they seem to be nothing but a conduit for the Russian hacking and propaganda operation.
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Post by badman on May 8, 2017 19:02:19 GMT -7
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Post by osha on May 8, 2017 19:15:18 GMT -7
Kinda odd that someone who has read the Bible many times and proclaims to understand it would miss that. osha, I think you would be wise to not judge God by the actions of man. If anything harmful has ever happened to you in the name of God, I am truly sorry. I have no problem with people doing as they will. Live and let live. But, I am disabled and I never made the choice to be. My wife thanks to the expansion on Medicaid has insurance (ACA). I have a bunch of religious people who voted to kick my wife off insurance while going to their Sunday service and being hypocrites praising some invisible person somewhere. Because the God in the book they proclaim to worship would want these people to love my wife. But not, they put on their Sunday best and go sit in pews praising some God somewhere. They sure are not praising the God of love now are they? They are hypocrites! And if you come on the world wide web and proclaim to be something and yet you do not live by that something, you open yourself up to scrutiny. I had a church guy come here to "save me". I was nice to him but I told him about his brand problem. In the end, he agreed with me and left. People don't like the truth and either did he. But he should be working on saving his own kind because I'm sure not interested in what he was selling. I have guns and don't feel safer with a huge military using money that could help others. I don't feel good about a cancer patient that has to sell everything they own for treatment and leave their family nothing. I feel for the kid sleeping on some street somewhere tonight. And to top it off, I believe in a woman's right to make choices for themselves because that is freedom, hence I have to give up my freedoms. God has never done anything to me besides fill this world with a bunch of hypocrites I have to contend with and have to suffer because of their choices. I call it like I see it and that's how I am. I don't sugarcoat anything for anyone.
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Post by hoofie on May 9, 2017 4:55:27 GMT -7
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Post by Entimos on May 9, 2017 7:18:53 GMT -7
Your supposed "truth" is very subjective and slanted now isn't it? You claim Christianity and you claim to be conservative and that's like many of you folks. So, let's seek some truth shall we based on what are your supposed beliefs. Doesn't your God teach you to love your neighbor? Then tell me Mr. Truth, how are you loving you neighbor if using your vote to kick that person off insurance? How are you loving your neighbor when you use your vote to vote in people who would gut social security for the elderly and disabled? Tell me Mr. Truth, how are you loving your neighbor when people flee to this country to escape death and you vote in people who want to push those people away? Tell me Mr. Truth, how are you loving your neighbor when you vote for a larger military so they can go around the world, kill innocent people and create terrorists? Not to mention Mr. Truth, Thou shall not kill. Supporting those who kill does not erase your liability there Mr. Truth. Hypocrite! Interesting, liberals are more likely to support things that are more along the lines of the bible. So this to me at least means, your moral compass is corrupt and you and your brand that is nothing but hypocrites doing the work of the devil. How lost you are Mr. Truth. Maybe you should drop both the truth bit and the christian bit, because you are doing them both wrong. Liberals don't just have corrupt moral compasses; in my opinion, they have no moral compasses at all. I've found that leftists almost universally hate Christians and hate the truth. As usual, I'll refute the tantrum above point by point with the truth: Love thy neighbor is an individual mandate to Christians, not a government license to steal from and subjugate its citizens. But theft and tyrannical power is what the left is all about, right? 'Kicked off insurance"? Did you notice that those uninsured people somehow got care BEFORE Obamacare? While the leftists are peddling their socialist wealth redistribution boondoggles, Christians have always cared for the sick and indigent without a government mandate. The conservative point is that no one should be forced to buy insurance. 'Gut Social Security'? Conservatives are trying to save it after decades of liberals burning through the SS surpluses. Imagine where Social Security would be if the greed of the Congress had been denied. All we want to do is let those who put money in to keep their own money and the interest that they earned, rather than suffer with the current bankrupt Ponzi scheme perpetuated by the left. 'Fleeing to escape death'? Tell me, what percentage of those who are pouring in actually meet that standard? And, conversely, how many come in seeking to kill Americans? No one is saying that we shouldn't help those in need (Christians always have), but with 50 Muslim majority countries around the world, help can be sent to a more suitable home for such refugees. Look at Europe to see the price paid for such liberal naivete. "Kill innocent people and create terrorists"? What garbage. You know as well as I do that this neither describes the purpose or the results of the U.S. military. And not all Republicans, much less conservatives, support the neo-con globalist interventionism that you allude to. Conservatives support a strong military as a deterrent, not a tool for nation building. So far, you are 0-4. Is there any liberal talking point that you don't peddle? And finally, let's address the "thou shall not kill" item. Do YOU vote for people that celebrate and defend the slaughter of 2000 innocent unborn children EVERY DAY in this country? Now THAT truly is a liability. Call me "Mr. Truth" anytime because that is where I stand and where I'll stay. And here's the truth again: liberals hate the truth and hate Christians for that reason.
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Post by osha on May 9, 2017 8:17:04 GMT -7
Your supposed "truth" is very subjective and slanted now isn't it? You claim Christianity and you claim to be conservative and that's like many of you folks. So, let's seek some truth shall we based on what are your supposed beliefs. Doesn't your God teach you to love your neighbor? Then tell me Mr. Truth, how are you loving you neighbor if using your vote to kick that person off insurance? How are you loving your neighbor when you use your vote to vote in people who would gut social security for the elderly and disabled? Tell me Mr. Truth, how are you loving your neighbor when people flee to this country to escape death and you vote in people who want to push those people away? Tell me Mr. Truth, how are you loving your neighbor when you vote for a larger military so they can go around the world, kill innocent people and create terrorists? Not to mention Mr. Truth, Thou shall not kill. Supporting those who kill does not erase your liability there Mr. Truth. Hypocrite! Interesting, liberals are more likely to support things that are more along the lines of the bible. So this to me at least means, your moral compass is corrupt and you and your brand that is nothing but hypocrites doing the work of the devil. How lost you are Mr. Truth. Maybe you should drop both the truth bit and the christian bit, because you are doing them both wrong. Liberals don't just have corrupt moral compasses; in my opinion, they have no moral compasses at all. I've found that leftists almost universally hate Christians and hate the truth. As usual, I'll refute the tantrum above point by point with the truth: Love thy neighbor is an individual mandate to Christians, not a government license to steal from and subjugate its citizens. But theft and tyrannical power is what the left is all about, right? 'Kicked off insurance"? Did you notice that those uninsured people somehow got care BEFORE Obamacare? While the leftists are peddling their socialist wealth redistribution boondoggles, Christians have always cared for the sick and indigent without a government mandate. The conservative point is that no one should be forced to buy insurance. 'Gut Social Security'? Conservatives are trying to save it after decades of liberals burning through the SS surpluses. Imagine where Social Security would be if the greed of the Congress had been denied. All we want to do is let those who put money in to keep their own money and the interest that they earned, rather than suffer with the current bankrupt Ponzi scheme perpetuated by the left. 'Fleeing to escape death'? Tell me, what percentage of those who are pouring in actually meet that standard? And, conversely, how many come in seeking to kill Americans? No one is saying that we shouldn't help those in need (Christians always have), but with 50 Muslim majority countries around the world, help can be sent to a more suitable home for such refugees. Look at Europe to see the price paid for such liberal naivete. "Kill innocent people and create terrorists"? What garbage. You know as well as I do that this neither describes the purpose or the results of the U.S. military. And not all Republicans, much less conservatives, support the neo-con globalist interventionism that you allude to. Conservatives support a strong military as a deterrent, not a tool for nation building. So far, you are 0-4. Is there any liberal talking point that you don't peddle? And finally, let's address the "thou shall not kill" item. Do YOU vote for people that celebrate and defend the slaughter of 2000 innocent unborn children EVERY DAY in this country? Now THAT truly is a liability. Call me "Mr. Truth" anytime because that is where I stand and where I'll stay. And here's the truth again: liberals hate the truth and hate Christians for that reason. Well, faith by very definition is: "strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof." Hence believing in something without proof is not truth, it's faith. Now, one can argue that it's indeed a personal truth and to that end I might agree, but universal truth it is not. Love they neighbor is a demand. And it means just that and is not open to interpretation. It means what it says and you and your group are guilty of using your votes to vote against the interest of your neighbor. That right there is the truth and that is not based on faith. Insurance: Have you noticed that premiums would rise before the mandate? You say Christians and I would say everyone, regardless of religion has seen their premiums rise. And why? Because the old system relied on those whom can pay, paying for those who can't. So how is this somehow your religion taking care of anything? Atheists, Christians, Muslims and people who believed in the ginger bread man all seen their premiums rise. So there is one you cannot claim. And let's not mention the homeless problem that your religion is not solving. www.forbes.com/sites/kotlikoff/2016/12/15/cutting-your-social-security-benefits-republican-style/#15dcededc283www.factcheck.org/2015/09/social-security-bunk-again/You really think that when innocent people are killed by the USA that they don't become radicalized? Wow, delusional you truly are. I'm 0-4? In your world of fairy dust and the invisible man in the sky that wrote a book for you and your kind to twist to fit your very own agenda. Brand problem for sure. I'm a Centrist and see the problems facing this nation. Not a Liberal by any means, but I believe for sure that their moral compass is much more sound then your very own. And I believe we can take that as fact. And as far as abortions, well, God never told you to save the world. As a matter of fact, the bible says this: Philippians 2:12 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Does it tell you to use voting to take over a woman's body at all does it? It doesn't tell you to use you "morals" to push beliefs on others does it? Doesn't it simply say for YOU to work out YOUR salvation? Funny how you can vote to push your beliefs on humanity and wonder why people hate your brand. That's funny.
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Post by Entimos on May 9, 2017 9:45:18 GMT -7
Do you see Bible quotes in my post above? I am a Christian, but I'm going debate you with facts. I've found that is all it takes to defeat a liberal. Not hardly, but I wouldn't expect a liberal to understand Scripture. Show me where it says to create a government to give other people's money to the neighbor. "Love" doens't mean "hand over the wallet"...that's pretty shallow thinking, even for a "centrist". Did YOU notice that premiums continued to rise AFTER the "mandate"? Which means that you and your fellow leftists are causing more problems. You ask what Christians are doing...they help people OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS, rather than steal it from others like the left does. Once again, do you see me quoting Scripture above? Yet, you feel the need to attack my religion for somehow not doing enough good, while praising a government that has screwed everything up. While I know what you meant, your sentence above is poorly written. No, I don't think innocent people killed become radicalized since they are dead. No, "delusional" is thinking that the radicalization comes as a result of the actions of the U.S. military....radicalization comes from the tenets of Islam. Look at how the Europeans have been rewarded for their loose immigration rules. How America's defense of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia were rewarded in Sept. 2001. Fairy dust? Sorry, "fairies" tend to be Democrats. When you debate me, you lose. Period. Memorize that as your new rule of thumb. "Invisible man in the sky"? Still claiming not to be an atheist? Yeah, right. The fact is that liberals are immoral and intolerant and are devoid of any "moral compass". Look at him digress, folks. Again, did I post any Scripture? Did I say that my religion is the only source of my opposition to abortion? No, you took that foolish flying leap into a pile of assumptions. And you never answered the question. Do you support and defend the slaughter of unborn children using the despicable and evil process called abortion? Science and fact tell us that a human life is extinguished during an abortion; my Christianity tells me that every soul is precious and must be guarded against those who would destroy it. "My brand"? People hate that "brand" because it is moral, decent and based on the facts, unlike the anything goes filth that the left stands for. A "centrist"
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Post by osha on May 9, 2017 11:00:26 GMT -7
Do you see Bible quotes in my post above? I am a Christian, but I'm going debate you with facts. I've found that is all it takes to defeat a liberal. Not hardly, but I wouldn't expect a liberal to understand Scripture. Show me where it says to create a government to give other people's money to the neighbor. "Love" doens't mean "hand over the wallet"...that's pretty shallow thinking, even for a "centrist". Did YOU notice that premiums continued to rise AFTER the "mandate"? Which means that you and your fellow leftists are causing more problems. You ask what Christians are doing...they help people OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS, rather than steal it from others like the left does. Once again, do you see me quoting Scripture above? Yet, you feel the need to attack my religion for somehow not doing enough good, while praising a government that has screwed everything up. While I know what you meant, your sentence above is poorly written. No, I don't think innocent people killed become radicalized since they are dead. No, "delusional" is thinking that the radicalization comes as a result of the actions of the U.S. military....radicalization comes from the tenets of Islam. Look at how the Europeans have been rewarded for their loose immigration rules. How America's defense of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia were rewarded in Sept. 2001. Fairy dust? Sorry, "fairies" tend to be Democrats. When you debate me, you lose. Period. Memorize that as your new rule of thumb. "Invisible man in the sky"? Still claiming not to be an atheist? Yeah, right. The fact is that liberals are immoral and intolerant and are devoid of any "moral compass". Look at him digress, folks. Again, did I post any Scripture? Did I say that my religion is the only source of my opposition to abortion? No, you took that foolish flying leap into a pile of assumptions. And you never answered the question. Do you support and defend the slaughter of unborn children using the despicable and evil process called abortion? Science and fact tell us that a human life is extinguished during an abortion; my Christianity tells me that every soul is precious and must be guarded against those who would destroy it. "My brand"? People hate that "brand" because it is moral, decent and based on the facts, unlike the anything goes filth that the left stands for. A "centrist" The bible does not tell you to give anyone money (except the church of course). But the bible also tells you to love your neighbor. Now, I would assume you love your wife. Would you kick your wife and children off health insurance out of love? Would you take away their food out of love (food stamps). Would you look at your grandmother and lower her income out of love? Let's not be partial here, love is love and it's all the same really. I wouldn't expect a Christian Conservative to understand that. Did you notice that premiums were rising before the mandate? And if your neighbor couldn't afford insurance, they were also stealing money out of your pocket. As I said, the ACA was nowhere near perfect, fix it. It did give 24 million people insurance which couldn't afford before. Not like the word "continued" matters much, it will continue to rise after the ACA leaves. Tit for tat. You know exactly what I meant about radicalization. And oddly, you use religion as an excuse to paint a picture of someone who is not in your group. If the Russian military came to the USA and killed people, do you not think that families of the killed would hate Russia? Do you not think a father losing his family due to an attack on his family from Russia would want revenge? Do you not think that father might go to Russia to act out his revenge? If you believe that a family could be killed and not create a radicalized family member, you are delusional. And of course, I don't expect a Christian Conservative to understand that. If your group is not following the teachings of your religion, they are possibly following faeries in the sky. YEP. Your not following your religion making it harder for others. That's a fact. Starve your own family and let your own family get sick without treatment. Don't lower the bar on what should work for others, practice what you promote. Liberals believe in universal health care. Liberals believe no one should be homeless. Liberals believe everyone should eat. Liberals believe that your crap should not be shoved on society. I believe their moral compass is way better then you own while your vote kicks people off insurance, your vote could cut benefits for people who need to eat, your vote created an executive order that gives your religion more say. Like we need that. Look at me care about people folks. While the clown above defends his religion while at the same time voting in people that want to make life harder for seniors, make life harder for people who can't afford insurance and wants to create orphaned kids who will grow up with mental problems and possibly starve people. And those children grow into adults living off the government nipple. Short sighted he is indeed. You are proving that your brand is morally bankrupt. Your brand has a book that teaches morals indeed, it's just to bad that your brand does not practice what it learns. And for the record, his brand is not simply Christian. His brand instead is Christian Conservative which goes against many of the things in his book of teachings. I joined a Christian forum one time to ask about Christian Conservatives. The answer was the best, I was told that a Christian Conservative is a complete oxymoron. And there it is. Centrist, own guns and believes completely in your right to believe what you want to believe. I support you going to church on Sundays and bravo, do what makes you feel good. What I don't support is you using your beliefs to make life harder for other people. But again, that's a concept I don't expect a Christian Conservative to understand.
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Post by hoofie on May 9, 2017 12:24:33 GMT -7
Can't we disagree without being disagreeable?
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Post by osha on May 9, 2017 12:27:10 GMT -7
Can't we disagree without being disagreeable?
That's fine with me. But I will be vocal about someone who is supposed to care about people doing the opposite. Carry on...
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Post by Entimos on May 9, 2017 13:40:22 GMT -7
That's fine with me. But I will be vocal about someone who is supposed to care about people doing the opposite. Carry on... So, you yell at your reflection in the mirror?
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Post by osha on May 9, 2017 14:00:51 GMT -7
That's fine with me. But I will be vocal about someone who is supposed to care about people doing the opposite. Carry on... So, you yell at your reflection in the mirror? Now your trolling. This discussion is over. You said your piece and I said mine. Continue and I will just close the thread. Good day.
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