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Post by ranger06 on Dec 15, 2017 20:21:55 GMT -7
It accounts for 25% of all spending. And again, it don't count and I don't care. They should have fixed the problem ages ago and kept their hands out the pot. You changed your claim. You just stated in your last post: "Social Security accounts for 25% of mandatory spending. Now you claim: "It accounts for 25% of all spending".Which is it, mandatory or all spending? Even though mandatory is the lion's share of all spending, it's hardly all spending.
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Post by osha on Dec 15, 2017 21:41:39 GMT -7
Really matters not. We are broke and about to be more broke. Don't matter terminology or what I or you say, we are broke.
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Post by ranger06 on Dec 16, 2017 7:31:24 GMT -7
You've made so many misstatements and contradictions, this last one of yours is equally flaky.
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Post by osha on Dec 16, 2017 7:41:12 GMT -7
Thank you so much and because I don't sit on a forum and spend my life doing such things and my mind is many times other places, you point out my distractions.
Exactly why I no longer post on forums because of right wing folks like you.
Now, I got a life to get back to. Toodles
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Post by ranger06 on Dec 16, 2017 11:21:26 GMT -7
I pointed out none of your distractions. I did point out that you made so many misstatements and contradictions, this last one of yours is equally flaky. More than likely that is the exactly the reason why you no longer post on forums.
Do your basic research and make credible claims. You'll find forums much more fun and educational. BTW, nothing I've posted is right wing.
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Post by hoofie on Dec 16, 2017 14:19:46 GMT -7
As a public service announcement, tax rates are merely the mandatory minimum payment to the government. Those that want higher taxes are free to pay more, as it would be accepted. That's a typical right wing talking point I have heard for years. So because the smart people in society see that the working class is being bent over while the rich sit at desks with a smile and collect money on the back of the working, the right gives breaks and suggests the poor pay more if they don't like it. All while bowing to their corporate overlords. That ideology has worked so well. ThaTrump and his party for the end of the free web as wellnk . I suppose if we don't like it, we can start our own internet companies.... But wait.... I'm sure there are regulations that prevent that as that would hurt the corporate overlords.The top 1% of income earners pay over 50% of the taxes while the bottom 48% pay nothing. As for the Trump administration's FCC, they simply tossed out an Obama administration 2015 regulation that that hampered the freedom of the internet in this country. They gave it back to the citizens rather than continue to regulate innovation.
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Post by osha on Dec 16, 2017 18:56:46 GMT -7
I pointed out none of your distractions. I did point out that you made so many misstatements and contradictions, this last one of yours is equally flaky. More than likely that is the exactly the reason why you no longer post on forums. Do your basic research and make credible claims. You'll find forums much more fun and educational. BTW, nothing I've posted is right wing. You pointed that I said mandatory when I mean total. I have a life, do you? 3 kids and a wife and a weekend spells all kinds of distractions. Your always looking for an argument, I should know this about you already and learn not to respond to you.
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Post by osha on Dec 16, 2017 19:00:49 GMT -7
That's a typical right wing talking point I have heard for years. So because the smart people in society see that the working class is being bent over while the rich sit at desks with a smile and collect money on the back of the working, the right gives breaks and suggests the poor pay more if they don't like it. All while bowing to their corporate overlords. That ideology has worked so well. ThaTrump and his party for the end of the free web as wellnk . I suppose if we don't like it, we can start our own internet companies.... But wait.... I'm sure there are regulations that prevent that as that would hurt the corporate overlords.The top 1% of income earners pay over 50% of the taxes while the bottom 48% pay nothing. As for the Trump administration's FCC, they simply tossed out an Obama administration 2015 regulation that that hampered the freedom of the internet in this country. They gave it back to the citizens rather than continue to regulate innovation. The incoming breaks prove you wrong. How can the top pay as much as you say when they hide their money to avoid taxes? Something even your Trump admits doing. Hampered the freedom of the internet? Freedom for who? Or do you mean the freedom for Verizon to block P2P traffic like they done before? Or the freedom for Comcast to slow streaming ike they have done before? Oh right, you right wingers looking out for corporate interests all the time. Enjoy when your own internet company starts doing bad things to you and remember it's all in the name of freedom.
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Post by ranger06 on Dec 16, 2017 19:11:07 GMT -7
I pointed out none of your distractions. I did point out that you made so many misstatements and contradictions, this last one of yours is equally flaky. More than likely that is the exactly the reason why you no longer post on forums. Do your basic research and make credible claims. You'll find forums much more fun and educational. BTW, nothing I've posted is right wing. You pointed that I said mandatory when I mean total. I have a life, do you? 3 kids and a wife and a weekend spells all kinds of distractions. Your always looking for an argument, I should know this about you already and learn not to respond to you. I pointed out that you said mandatory when you wrote mandatory. You failed to correct yourself even when your misstatement and contradiction were shown.
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Post by osha on Dec 16, 2017 19:20:07 GMT -7
You pointed that I said mandatory when I mean total. I have a life, do you? 3 kids and a wife and a weekend spells all kinds of distractions. Your always looking for an argument, I should know this about you already and learn not to respond to you. I pointed out that you said mandatory when you wrote mandatory. You failed to correct yourself even when your misstatement and contradiction were shown. And I pointed out the problem and why it happened. I will not go down this rat hole with you.
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Post by ranger06 on Dec 16, 2017 19:56:55 GMT -7
I pointed out that you said mandatory when you wrote mandatory. You failed to correct yourself even when your misstatement and contradiction were shown. And I pointed out the problem and why it happened. I will not go down this rat hole with you. You've been in this rat hole since your initial post. When are you going to climb out? You made the misstatement some 26 hours back, was shown to be wrong, made a counter claim some 24 hours ago without stating it was a correction. Now after three posts of statements of "Really matters not", "...you point out my distractions", then "You pointed that I said mandatory when I mean total". The third time you finally owned up to your goof. Nobody knows what you meant, only what you wrote. All this is in addition to your false claims about military spending. You should have stopped when I pointed out that Hoofie was right.
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Post by ranger06 on Dec 16, 2017 20:18:41 GMT -7
The top 1% of income earners pay over 50% of the taxes while the bottom 48% pay nothing. As for the Trump administration's FCC, they simply tossed out an Obama administration 2015 regulation that that hampered the freedom of the internet in this country. They gave it back to the citizens rather than continue to regulate innovation. The incoming breaks prove you wrong. How can the top pay as much as you say when they hide their money to avoid taxes? Something even your Trump admits doing. Hampered the freedom of the internet? Freedom for who? Or do you mean the freedom for Verizon to block P2P traffic like they done before? Or the freedom for Comcast to slow streaming ike they have done before? Oh right, you right wingers looking out for corporate interests all the time. Enjoy when your own internet company starts doing bad things to you and remember it's all in the name of freedom. Pew Research proves him right in this October 9, 2017 article. "The individual income tax is designed to be progressive – those with higher incomes pay at higher rates. A Pew Research Center analysis of IRS data from 2015, the most recent available, shows that taxpayers with incomes of $200,000 or more paid well over half (58.8%) of federal income taxes, though they accounted for only 4.5% of all returns filed (6.8% of all taxable returns)." - www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/10/06/a-closer-look-at-who-does-and-doesnt-pay-u-s-income-tax/You take deductions when you file your taxes, right? Why do you begrudge the wealthy for doing the same thing? Of course you can always do as Hoofie wrote and pay more than you owe. Uncle Sugar says thanks in advance.
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Post by hoofie on Dec 17, 2017 13:54:51 GMT -7
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Post by osha on Dec 19, 2017 4:18:35 GMT -7
Alright, no distractions right now so here it goes.
The rich pay more into the system, I would not deny that. However, the rich accounts for creating people who need food stamps and such and wasn't Warren Buffet who said his effective tax rate was lower then his secretary? So yes, you can pull up every statistic in the world and it will prove that the rich pay more, pull up statistics on the costs of the rich? They are out there. And now we get more breaks for the rich on the backs of the working class. How you may ask? Look for cuts in things that help people. Now of course you right wing folks who want to go back to the 1960s will ignore the facts.
Fact: the rich love to pay low wages Fact: Low wages create a need as prices rise Fact: Social Security is something people paid into and they should get back what they were forced to pay Fact: Cutting the elderly and giving them less to make the rich happy is theft
Now, That's simple logic and right wing folks will ignore it because they praise the rich. There are however two sides to every coin. So, stat this and stat that... Blah... Reality speaks in other terms. For instance, if Joe is working a crap job trying to support his family and his effective money out rate (before his bring home) is only 52% of his pay and yet the rich pay more but bring home much, much more, who is the tax and medical and such hurting? Poor Joe sleeps on a friends couch and he is only trying to do what he is supposed to do.
And yet the right sits around and complains because hey, they did it in the 60s when they were kids. This is not the 60s and those days are gone and will never return.
So yes, the rich pay more money but also cost a lot of money protecting their own bottom line. All while the right complains and wants to gut programs the rich build a need for. Why do we not demand higher wages to save money? It would, instead of looking at families and asking them to starve their kids. Or even looking at the elderly and disabled and telling them to skip medication they need.
Compassion vs. greed, I know where I stand.
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Post by hoofie on Dec 19, 2017 6:11:49 GMT -7
Fact: Joe needs to move to a state with lower taxes. My effective tax rate on my pay check is 22.5% because my 401K and HSA contributions are deducted before taxes.
Fact: Joe needs to fix his family problems and sleep with his wife instead of on his friends couch.
Fact: If Joe has a crappy job he needs to develop a marketable talent that pays better. Minimum wage is a starting point, not a career.
Fact: Social security was created to help widows and orphans of WW-II. It was never intended as a retirement plan.
Fact: The left loves taking other peoples money by force and calling it taxes then redistributing it with a made up flourish.
Pay out "programs" are almost exclusively from the left and sometimes called "subsidies", creating a culture of entitlement.
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