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Post by jiminix on Dec 12, 2017 20:33:29 GMT -7
It looks like Jones will win. Even if he doesn't, it's still a political miracle that he has gotten this much support in Alabama.
The NY Times estimate has been sitting at 83% probability that Jones will win for a while - I just saw it jump to 95%. They're saying that almost all the remaining uncounted votes are in urban areas where Jones is strongest.
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Post by hoofie on Dec 13, 2017 6:02:52 GMT -7
As of this morning, it looks like a victory for Jones by less than 2 percentage points. Republicans unable to stomach Moore wrote in 20,000 or so votes for someone else. Jones will likely loose the next election but who knows?
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Post by jiminix on Dec 13, 2017 10:35:45 GMT -7
I agree, Jones will lose his reelection campaign in 2020. The only way possible for him to win again is if this turns into a wake-up for Alabama voters that snowballs between now till his next election. There is a remote possibility that Alabama voters may observe that it's not the end of the world if they are represented by a Democrat, and that in actuality, the policies advocated by Democrats are much more beneficial to the working class than Republican policies are.
I was ambivalent before the election whether I wanted to see Jones win or not. I think it might possibly have been better for the Democrats and for the country if Moore had been elected. It might have helped the country to understand the nature of the current swing of the Republican party toward spiteful hatred of Democrats and deceitful promotion of the financial aristocracy.
The country needs a conservative party and a progressive party to hash out the merits of the various policy issues. But the parties need to be honest advocates of the conservative and progressive visions. Today's Republicans are not winning by honest advocacy of conservative policies, but by cynical manipulation of the emotions of voters. Conscientious Republicans know that their party today is not what it should be, but they have lost their moral compass in the chaos and deception they allowed into their party for short term gain, and they don't know how to get it back.
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Post by osha on Dec 13, 2017 17:11:10 GMT -7
Money in politics has to go. Neither party can be trusted as long as they are catering to special interests.
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Post by badman on Dec 16, 2017 6:55:29 GMT -7
I agree, osha!
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Post by hoofie on Dec 16, 2017 14:10:55 GMT -7
I agree too!
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Post by hoofie on Dec 18, 2017 11:20:15 GMT -7
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Post by badman on Dec 18, 2017 17:26:50 GMT -7
I have no doubt that Jones would have surely lost this election without the Washington Post's unproven claims, and the MSM inclination to stoke the flame of anything that appears to burn conservatives.
I understand his motivation. It would be tough to state "I only won because..."
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Post by JMHO on Dec 19, 2017 22:09:26 GMT -7
I have no doubt that Jones would have surely lost this election without the Washington Post's unproven claims, and the MSM inclination to stoke the flame of anything that appears to burn conservatives. I understand his motivation. It would be tough to state "I only won because..." I respectfully disagree. There were many like myself who would not vote for Moore, long before his accusers came forward. I have not trusted Moore since he first “stoked” his political ambitions with his refusal to obey the law. Some stayed away and refused to vote at all. Others wrote in another’s name on the ballot. I voted for Jones as I saw that as the most viable method of insuring Moore’s loss, I was pleased, nay “stoked”, by his loss and can only pray I will not witness Moore’s name on another ballot.
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Post by badman on Dec 20, 2017 7:34:03 GMT -7
It's good to "hear" from you, JMHO!
Looking at polling results before and after the allegations, it just seems to me that Moore's lead vanished so quickly that I can't help but believe that the allegations were the cause.
Merry Christmas!
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Post by JMHO on Dec 20, 2017 23:12:42 GMT -7
It's good to "hear" from you, JMHO! Looking at polling results before and after the allegations, it just seems to me that Moore's lead vanished so quickly that I can't help but believe that the allegations were the cause. Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas to you as well, badman. I wish I could say I’d be back on a regular basis, but, as we all know, Life has a way of disrupting best laid plans.
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Post by hoofie on Jan 2, 2018 6:16:40 GMT -7
So, where are these accusers now? What's the next step?
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Post by badman on Jan 18, 2018 19:18:04 GMT -7
Probably happily spending their commission fees
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