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Post by osha on May 8, 2017 16:15:40 GMT -7
Your supposed "truth" is very subjective and slanted now isn't it? You claim Christianity and you claim to be conservative and that's like many of you folks. So, let's seek some truth shall we based on what are your supposed beliefs. Doesn't your God teach you to love your neighbor? Then tell me Mr. Truth, how are you loving you neighbor if using your vote to kick that person off insurance? How are you loving your neighbor when you use your vote to vote in people who would gut social security for the elderly and disabled? Tell me Mr. Truth, how are you loving your neighbor when people flee to this country to escape death and you vote in people who want to push those people away? Tell me Mr. Truth, how are you loving your neighbor when you vote for a larger military so they can go around the world, kill innocent people and create terrorists? Not to mention Mr. Truth, Thou shall not kill. Supporting those who kill does not erase your liability there Mr. Truth. Hypocrite! Interesting, liberals are more likely to support things that are more along the lines of the bible. So this to me at least means, your moral compass is corrupt and you and your brand that is nothing but hypocrites doing the work of the devil. How lost you are Mr. Truth. Maybe you should drop both the truth bit and the christian bit, because you are doing them both wrong. Whoa man. The Bible also says the Lord helps them who help themselves. The bible tells farmers to only reap their harvest once so that widows and orphans can reap some food as well. No one is kicking anybody off insurance at this time. What was passed in the House will not come out of the Senate. All of your fear mongering statements are just that. Where are your facts that SS for disabled & elderly being "gutted"? As for immigration, what happened to coming here legally? My grandmother was born in NYC, her parents came through Ellis Island legally. The Trump travel ban was temporary so that vetting processes would deter terrorists. We don't need a larger military but a well supplied one to deter attacks on our land. Do you want what's happening in the Middle East to happen here on our soil? We all know "thou shalt not kill", but some evil doers just need killin. I have managed to live almost 56 years in this country, never taking public assistance, but also never denying someone help that needed it. The United States is the most generous country on this planet. If you lived in Tuscaloosa through the tornadoes a few years ago, you would know that. We don't need to government to do our charity work. There were community barn raisings long before a federal government existed. You give the federal government more credit than it deserves and local communities and churches less faith than their abilities. That's the difference between the left and the right. Who judges who helps themselves? I mean, a minimum wage worker at Walmart is working and still having to collect food stamps to make ends meet. I really believe that what the bible is saying can be translated many different ways. What I mean is, if someone has to drive to the food stamp office and they get in their car and drive there, they are helping themselves. I think the biggest focus on the bible is love. Love others without judgement. I don't think people are doing a good job loving others when they use their voting power to vote in people who are against helping others. 24 million people risk being kicked off insurance because of Trump and his people. Is that a caring gesture? Would we say allowing people to die or forcing others to pay higher premiums is what God would want? What about tax breaks for the rich so the rich can have more? This is one of the 7 deadly sins of the early church (greed). So it is alright to claim to be one thing and vote in the interest of the other? It's not up to me or you to judge who is helping themselves, it's up to me and you to love our neighbor as the bible teaches. As far as immigration, we could make the path to citizenship easier. I don't at all support illegal immigration, but, I am also not bound by any rule to love anyone as I don't follow a religion. I have just read the bible many times and I understand it. The churches in this country cannot help everyone and that is fact. We have a homeless problem here and many of the people who are homeless are Veterans. We cannot look to a church to solve that problem just like we have tried looking to the free market to solve healthcare. The free market solved neither of those problems and now we are trying to push the idea of free market insurance back into the hands of rising premiums. The ACA was not perfect but it gave 24 million people insurance, that should be improved to work for everyone instead of raising premiums for those who can pay. That would be love, what the bible talks about, what Christians are supposed to represent. As far as social security, Republicans would love to gut it and make it into investments. That helps the rich by raising the value of said invested company, of course the Guardians of Profit would love that. I don't for a moment believe we are a nation of lazy do nothings. I believe we are a nation of people struggling and people needing help. And when we make it harder for those people, however we do it, we are not showing love and we are going against the bible these people represent. So instead of people trying to be the judge and jury into the lives and struggles of others, why don't they let God worry about the judgement and they work just on the love? Hard concept for the hypocrites, I know. Just to add, the fact that the law may not pass is irrelevant in my book. It shows that a group of people in the government would love nothing more then to kick people off insurance. And Christian Conservatives voted for those people to try and do that. Even if it fails, to close for comfort for 24 million people.
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Post by osha on May 8, 2017 10:17:59 GMT -7
Finally, on your last statement above, you disappoint me...I didn't expect you to devolve into the tired old "liberal talk shows failed because liberals are better" routine. We conservatives look for the truth and we know we won't get it from any "news" organization that liberals favor. Your supposed "truth" is very subjective and slanted now isn't it? You claim Christianity and you claim to be conservative and that's like many of you folks. So, let's seek some truth shall we based on what are your supposed beliefs. Doesn't your God teach you to love your neighbor? Then tell me Mr. Truth, how are you loving you neighbor if using your vote to kick that person off insurance? How are you loving your neighbor when you use your vote to vote in people who would gut social security for the elderly and disabled? Tell me Mr. Truth, how are you loving your neighbor when people flee to this country to escape death and you vote in people who want to push those people away? Tell me Mr. Truth, how are you loving your neighbor when you vote for a larger military so they can go around the world, kill innocent people and create terrorists? Not to mention Mr. Truth, Thou shall not kill. Supporting those who kill does not erase your liability there Mr. Truth. Hypocrite! Interesting, liberals are more likely to support things that are more along the lines of the bible. So this to me at least means, your moral compass is corrupt and you and your brand that is nothing but hypocrites doing the work of the devil. How lost you are Mr. Truth. Maybe you should drop both the truth bit and the christian bit, because you are doing them both wrong.
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Post by osha on May 7, 2017 16:48:07 GMT -7
jiminx, I have a feeling that a very large measure of the folks that have to insure themselves would drop PPACA if given the chance. My policy was outlawed (being labeled as junk)under the PPACA, then my premiums more than doubled, and was subject to fines if I decided not pay the increased premiums. I won't spend time defending the ACA, because I don't think it's a good plan. Though it certainly is better than anything the Republicans have ever suggested. The right plan is single payer. If we had that, then you wouldn't have premium increases, and nobody would have a junk plan with gaps in essential coverage. A healthy nation is a public good. It's good for the people who have better health, and it's good for the businesses and industries that have healthier employees. It's good for the nation. So it's justified to have those people and corporations pay for it who have benefited most from the resources and productivity of the nation. We need to go back to the founders' vision of government "for the people", instead of government for the aristocracy. I agree with you. And somehow these same people complaining about rising premiums want to go back to a system of rising premiums. Health is a lottery anyways. Some people smoke their whole life and live to be 90, some 40. Some people are born with heart defects and some never have a heart problems. Some kids get cancer and some don't, same with adults. I don't believe anyone should be punished for losing the health lottery.
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Post by osha on May 6, 2017 21:41:13 GMT -7
thehill.com/policy/healthcare/raul-labrador-town-hall-nobody-dies-access-to-healthcare-obamacarePeople do die because of lack of healthcare. Imagine a person with diabetes whom cannot afford insulin. They go to the ER because of a spike in blood sugar. They have no insurance and the ER will stabilize them and send them home where they cannot keep their sugar in check. And to make matters worse, this person cannot afford to pay their medical bill, so who pays for this? The people who pay for insurance pick up the tab. This becomes a cycle. So, instead of this nation picking up and learning from nations whom have universal medical, we create a cycle where people do die and the people who can afford insurance pick up the monetary slack. We then have socialized medical but the people in charge taking huge "donations" from the very same industry that raises premiums don't get it. They instead want the poor to suffer believing we are all covered. And rather then support a system that truly covers everyone, they instead want the system to control itself and for the free market to prevail. The free market places the burden on those who can pay and they except this. Then our own POTUS says that Australia has a better system then we do here at home. But the hopeless system we have right now was created because of rising prices and was supposed to solve that problem. Instead, prices continued to rise and now a part of humanity is begging to go back to the old system that had the same problem we were trying to escape with the AHCA. How soon we forget.
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Post by osha on May 5, 2017 17:44:33 GMT -7
OK, but you can look back at your posts to find the "among others" that I mentioned. Start with those statements that start with "what your saying is" and see if you were possibly mistaken. I noticed that John Doe liked your reply to Entimos. I didn't. I see nothing wrong with anything I have said at all. I was right, forcing someone to listen to something they don't want to is not freedom. Having the right to say no is freedom. It don't really matter. We cannot talk about freedom and we surely can't talk about morals when one side wants one thing and the other expects another. It's one of those things that's a catch 22 in my book like I have said. As far as morals, I will not claim some kind of moral high ground but I will not buckle and think that others have better moral focus then others. Especially when those claiming a moral high ground have a history of using moral bankrupt ideas to promote hate. If you would like further information, let me know.
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Post by osha on May 5, 2017 17:13:44 GMT -7
osha, you kind of started that with the bible thumping comment among others. I try to not take any member's post personally, and it works for me. Just a thought. I don't see that as any kind of insult. To me it's like calling me "buried" when I'm married. Things like that. Slight joke type thing.
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Post by osha on May 5, 2017 16:55:25 GMT -7
Well, it's hyperbole to believe that all teachers are liberals spouting garbage. Who said anything about atheists? I happen to hate religion but I am not an atheist, I just don't fall for the bullcrap being taught today. Like, we support Israel? Why? Here ya go: biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/is-america-cursed/Are you going to say that the false prophets are right and God lied or are we gonna believe the truth? Oh, and we shall not kill is treated all so like the law of God right? Hypocrites! So instead of making this a argument about unsubstantiated claims that are not proven, like liberal teachings. Why don't we instead not try and push our garbage on the rest of humanity while that very garbage is slanted lies? Who said anything about Israel? Looks like a straw man argument to me. And if you are going to smear something as "slanted lies", please be specific and back up that claim. Who said some thing about atheists in a conversation about free speech? Oh wait, that was you. And you tried to play the moral high ground by wanted people to align with your ideas. So, I hit your moral, christian high ground with a fact about Israel. And now you proclaim this "a straw man argument to me". So in other words: Osha hit me with the truth in response to what I said and it's making me sad. I want the people here to please think he's grasping at straws to prove a point. Please believe me and don't click the link he posted. Oh, please don't, its straw man. Don't attack a section of society unless you are willing to get a response you may not like. This is not a straw man response, this is a response showing your religions "moral" hypocrisy!
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Post by osha on May 4, 2017 16:05:30 GMT -7
Well, it's hyperbole to believe that all teachers are liberals spouting garbage. Who said anything about atheists? I happen to hate religion but I am not an atheist, I just don't fall for the bullcrap being taught today. Like, we support Israel? Why? Here ya go: biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/is-america-cursed/Are you going to say that the false prophets are right and God lied or are we gonna believe the truth? Oh, and we shall not kill is treated all so like the law of God right? Hypocrites! So instead of making this a argument about unsubstantiated claims that are not proven, like liberal teachings. Why don't we instead not try and push our garbage on the rest of humanity while that very garbage is slanted lies?
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Post by osha on May 3, 2017 21:35:27 GMT -7
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Post by osha on May 3, 2017 18:24:01 GMT -7
And what exactly does this have to do with creating a 2 percent tax to provide medical insurance for everyone? About all the major developed nations on earth have universal medical and that is not socialism or otherwise, that is humanity solving a problem that should be solved.
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Post by osha on May 3, 2017 18:10:55 GMT -7
Maybe best to read that article again. It seems that either you missed the point or that you choose to deny it. Huh? I read the article and it is saying what I am saying. Except the part the poor being pushed to socialism which is true. In a failing economy, the poor beg for handouts (socialism) in order to take care of them. The capitalists (conservatives) produce products that rely on workers to produce. While liberals that are rich gathering wealth off the work of others. What exactly did I miss?
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Post by osha on May 3, 2017 17:15:36 GMT -7
Wow, what an interesting article. So in reality, Capitalists seek the lowest cost of production but create jobs with production. While they move to China for production. While Liberals create wealth from the work of others and create nothing but wealth. And of course the system pushes the poor towards socialism as a means to an end when neither system is really working. That article surely changed my perspective and thanks for sharing.
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Post by osha on May 3, 2017 5:31:50 GMT -7
It sure would be nice to get back to intelligent discourse with the right.
But, I don't think it will happen. You have the right who simply thinks they can run this country like we did 100 years ago and they don't change with the times.
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Post by osha on May 2, 2017 12:40:20 GMT -7
I believe ALL politics should be out of school. That means liberal and conservative And yes, I believe both sides are wrong on the issue. I am not liberal or conservative and don't feel that either of those political ideologies should be force fed to anyone. And violence is never the answer in these situations. It's wrong in my book to complain about liberal teachings and at the same time complain when a right wing speaker can't be guilty of the same thing. How about we support ALL politics being removed from school? That even means liberal professors. Then what we get in return is no catch 22 to start with. While the idea of such objectivity is a laudable goal, it is in reality unachievable. If we succeed in teaching the students to think for themselves, they will naturally express their opinions and ideas and we should be glad when they do so. Since we cannot remove all politics without stifling such creativity, we should encourage open respectful discourse from all sides. Let's pursue balance...I would submit that a one time visit by Coulter that no one is forced to attend is a pittance compared to the thousands of instances where the liberals have interjected their dogma in a classroom full of captive young minds. It is not. School is there for education. It is not there for anyone to spew political garbage and confuse the situation. Naturally talks will happen of course but it does not have to be representatives of one side or the other spewing garbage teaching nothing. My kids are in school (pre college). And they don't have political speakers coming to their school. And I live in a right wing, bible thumping, dollar store loving utopia in this area.
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Post by osha on May 2, 2017 12:35:00 GMT -7
I didn't see his comments as 'conservative', but saw them as spot on American. As a country, we haven't behaved this way in quite some time. I only saw his comments as "conservative" since conservatives are the only Americans that think today as Dreyfuss does. but I agree that these should be the values of all Americans. As both Carlson and Dreyfuss stated, the over thirty crowd understands while the clueless younger generation has been submerged in the sewer of political correctness for their entire lives, thanks to the very effective indoctrination instituted by liberals. At a very young age I carried a pocket Constitution in my pocket and was very vocal about anyone who tried to step on my rights and liberties. I agree it should be in school and it should be taught. But on the other hand, I don't believe those are conservative or liberal ideas. Our founders knew where this country would head and many times our founders repeated as such. We need to stop politicizing founding ideas and just make them the foundation of our nation. When we throw politics into the thing, it becomes very clear that we corrupt the very document we are discussing. If we tell liberals that the Constitution is a right wing ideology, we make them feel like they have to believe in right wing politics in order to believe in the Constitution. And this is not the case. The Constitution is all of ours no matter what political side you belong to. It is not political, it is American.
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