Buckeye
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Post by Buckeye on Apr 18, 2013 5:25:02 GMT -7
Democrat or Repuplican...I think they screwed the pooch on this one. People are going to remember this and vote against them. We need to put the Senators who voted agaist this legislation in the unemployment lines."Mark my words: if we cannot make our communities safer with the Congress we have now, we will use every means available to make sure we have a different Congress, one that puts communities’ interests ahead of the gun lobby’s. To do nothing while others are in danger is not the American way." Gaby Giffords A Senate in the Gun Lobby’s Grip
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Post by Conservative Listillo on Apr 18, 2013 5:45:55 GMT -7
While I can understand the polarity on the weapons ban bill, I don't understand what was wrong with extended background checks. I perused that bill and found nothing troubling about it.
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Buckeye
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Post by Buckeye on Apr 18, 2013 5:48:18 GMT -7
That's what I don't get. I can understand, although I don't agree, about people being upset about gun control. But, come onnn, this is about safety. The Senate sure let the people down on this one.
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Post by bamapilot on Apr 18, 2013 13:06:33 GMT -7
Democrat or Repuplican...I think they screwed the pooch on this one. People are going to remember this and vote against them. Gun control is way down on the list of importance to most people, when they wished the politicians were concentrating more on helping this economy to improve and help the horrible job situation.
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Post by jiminix on Apr 20, 2013 15:47:55 GMT -7
Gun control is way down on the list of importance to most people, when they wished the politicians were concentrating more on helping this economy to improve and help the horrible job situation. It's low on the list of importance, and has been completely off the radar for the past 10 years. But it's high on the list as a litmus test of rationality. 90% of Americans believe Congress should take some action, and think Republicans are irrational about it. As usual, however, Republicans expect that voters will forget about it by the next election, and unfortunately they are probably right. It's not a big defeat for Democrats, because the bill never had the remotest chance of passing the House, even if Republicans hadn't filibustered it to death in the Senate. The biggest mistake Congressional Democrats have made since 2008 is not changing the filibuster rule to force the filibustering party to actually be on the floor giving a speech. Then the true obstructionist nature of the Republicans could have been impressed on the voters. The next time Republicans control the Senate, they will change the filibuster rule on Day 1, and Democrats will whine "That's so unfair, we left the old rule in place so you wouldn't be embarrassed, you are supposed to do the same for us." Democrats need to recognize that since the Tea Party took over the Republicans in 2010, gentlemen's agreements are irrelevant - the Tea Party makes Karl Rove look ethical.
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Post by bamapilot on Apr 20, 2013 17:21:36 GMT -7
The biggest mistake Congressional Democrats have made since 2008 is not changing the filibuster rule ..... Yes. But its because the biggest problem the Congressional Democrats always have when they get the majority ... is to NOT plan for the day when they are not the majority. They always think they will keep it forever it seems. And when the American people flip it ... they just can't handle it. It blows them away. They can;t understand why the people did it. Gotta prepare for that ebb and flow. Over time, the tables always get turned.
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Post by jiminix on Apr 21, 2013 11:56:34 GMT -7
The biggest mistake Congressional Democrats have made since 2008 is not changing the filibuster rule ..... Yes. But its because the biggest problem the Congressional Democrats always have when they get the majority ... is to NOT plan for the day when they are not the majority. They always think they will keep it forever it seems. And when the American people flip it ... they just can't handle it. It blows them away. They can;t understand why the people did it. Gotta prepare for that ebb and flow. Over time, the tables always get turned. We also know that sometimes a party outlives its usefulness, like the Federalists and the Whigs, because they became mired in the past, while others adopted their best ideas and ran with them. There are good signs that the Republican Party has reached that stage. I'm rooting for Republicans to be adamant against background checks, in favor of self-deportation caused by increased oppression of Latinos, discontinuation of federal health care, privatization of Social Security, opposition to gay marriage, deregulation of Wall Street and Big Oil, abolition of the Department of Education, etc. "TED CRUZ FOR PRESIDENT IN 2016".
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