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Post by hoofie on Oct 17, 2016 4:59:52 GMT -7
Is this debate necessary? Is there anything Trump can say or do to sway America, or is this Clinton's election to lose. More emails released implying quid pro quo between the State Department and the FBI. Will it get any traction?
**I am not pro-Trump as much as I am anti-Clinton.
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Post by hoofie on Oct 17, 2016 12:54:38 GMT -7
What? No body wants to fight debate?
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Post by JMHO on Oct 17, 2016 13:58:20 GMT -7
I'd like to reply but as a moderator feel limited now by what I think is and isn't appropriate.
The G-rated, politically correct version is that almost anyone could have beaten Hillary this year. She is the second most unpopular candidate to run for POTUS in years.
And who do the majority of Repubs have running against her? The #1 most unpopular candidate... Trump.
Damndest thing I've ever seen.
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Post by hoofie on Oct 17, 2016 15:10:46 GMT -7
JMHO, you're still an American and entitled to your opinion. Just take the mod hat off and be a member once in a while. Did the Repubs nominate Trump by not voting in the primaries? Rubio and Cruz should have done much better, but both got dragged into trumps 7th grade lair early and never recovered.
Jeb Bush never had a chance. As good of a man that he is his best shot was 2012.
Like it or not, Trump and Clinton are the only 2 real choices. I believe that if elected, Washington will keep Trump in check. He will have to jump through hoops like a poodle to get anything done. Clinton knows how the machine works and how to grease the wheels to get what she wants. No good could possibly come from that.
If Trump were to apply his cash flow proformas to Federal budgets, he might actually accomplish some fiscal good.
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Post by bmccullough on Oct 19, 2016 7:50:29 GMT -7
IMO, Trump is excellent at reading a crowd, knowing what they want to hear and saying what the crowd wants to hear - without really saying anything of substance. If you read the transcripts of his speeches, his word salads contain enough convictions and persuasions to emotionally connect the crowd, but little to no substance on directing that connection to his plans to move this country forward. Everyone knew when he first put his hat in the ring that he wasn't qualified. He was a joke and, therefore, wasn't a concern to the other 15 Republicans running for the same spot. Where they failed and wrongfully dismissed Trump was in his ability to connect with a crowd through his years of Reality/celebrity status, as well has his primers in the WWE forum, when he would work up a crowd of wrastlin' fans into a frenzy. He used this form of public speaking well and to his advantage during this election. Where he falls short, imo, is his inability to be humble or contrite in his mistakes and past fallacies. It is always someone else's fault or never happened (regardless of video and audio tapes to back up any claims).
Where he is truly showing his moral fiber is in his current rhetoric of vote rigging leading up to his predicted loss in this election. He is striking a match that could ultimately burn down the democratic republic this country has held since its inception. While I am critical of the electoral college system vs. the popular vote system, I concede and understand that there is merit behind our current vote-count process. By wildly and deliberately making these utterly false and unproven claims of "system rigging" in effort for him to personally save face in the wake of losing, that's just too dangerous a precedent to allow. Yes, the DNC got caught choosing one primary candidate over the other, more popular and less contentious candidate; but that fraud was contained within that party and was NOT part of the national voting system, which is where Trumps allegations fall. He cannot and should not be allowed to plant those particular seeds just because he's fallen short of the mark. That is not the sign of a good leader and further reason why he will not get my vote in this election or any other he chooses to taint.
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Post by hoofie on Oct 19, 2016 9:53:14 GMT -7
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Post by badman on Oct 19, 2016 16:41:48 GMT -7
Is this debate necessary? Is there anything Trump can say or do to sway America, or is this Clinton's election to lose. More emails released implying quid pro quo between the State Department and the FBI. Will it get any traction? **I am not pro-Trump as much as I am anti-Clinton. I think so, hoofie. There is quite a measure of information proving just how corrupt Clinton (and democrats in general) is, and how the MSM media chooses what is reported to the citizens in order to propel the liberals. This debate may shed some light to some folks. |
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Post by badman on Oct 19, 2016 17:28:37 GMT -7
bmccullough, Do you really believe that the DNC determines the appropriate level of fraud based on the political party of the victim?
That the DNC has higher morals when dealing with those of a different party?
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Post by harleydays on Oct 20, 2016 4:08:26 GMT -7
I want to know why Killary has to read off her mini Teleprompter built into the podium to respond to questions...
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Post by hoofie on Oct 20, 2016 4:53:38 GMT -7
Funny that no one has asked how she went from being dead broke in 2000 to now worth almost $250 million.
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Post by hoofie on Oct 20, 2016 4:57:56 GMT -7
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Post by bmccullough on Oct 20, 2016 9:32:29 GMT -7
bmccullough, Do you really believe that the DNC determines the appropriate level of fraud based on the political party of the victim? That the DNC has higher morals when dealing with those of a different party? I'm not sure what you are asking based on the way you framed your first question - but here's my interpreted response: The DNC went into this election cycle 2 years ago promoting the banner of Mrs. Clinton for President. This was not "new" information, nor was it a surprise to anyone that she would try again after failing to beat Obama in 2008. What was a surprise, though, was the ability of Bernie Sanders - who has always maintained his Independent political status until this election cycle - to run such a close primary race and gain the popular vote majority against the DNC "favorite." Was Clinton directly involved in Debbie Wasserman-Shultz's shenanigans in defeating Bernie's campaign? I don't know for sure and neither does anyone else based upon the leaked e-mails from the DNC back this summer. It is assumed, but in all things relative, assuming based upon circumstantial evidence isn't the best practice as it can turn against the assumee. The DNC's plan and role in defeating Sanders' campaign is disheartening for the party, but, as I stated above - it was contained to that party - not nationally, as Trump is currently trying to allege. As we have all learned, primary voting is great, but the party delegates in large part determine the party's primary winner - not individual primary voters. Because of this current election circus, several states have pledged to change this delegate-determined practice, but we'll see in 4 to 8 years whether or not that was truth or just lip service to appease the masses. As to your second question, again, not sure what exactly your asking, but here's my interpreted response: I highly doubt anyone involved with politics retains any sense of morality - unless and until it comes to election season(s). Do I believe that the Democratic Party holds the rights of all citizens to a higher degree of importance than the Republican Party? Yes. Does that make Republicans less moral? My answer to this would have been no, had the Republican Party been able to back a true Republican and not the orange-haired circus clown that is Donald Trump. His personality traits and historic treatment of others is inexcusable to anyone who holds any sense of morality beyond political party lines. That there are Republicans still backing him simply because he is the Republican candidate and not for any of his policies, ideas, etc., is no better than selling one's soul to the devil in exchange for a loaf of bread, imo. I have voted Republican in the past, so I can make my opinions without coming across as a "yellow dog democrat." The Republican Party is in a state of turmoil from within. They have been systemically over-run by Tea Party Republicans and have become far-right instead of the former moderate-right stance of past. Current Republican leadership and politicians in office, lead by the Tea Party faction, tow the (R) party line to the detriment of moving our country forward and representing all of the citizens they were elected by, including the ones who didn't vote for them. I would have likely voted Republican this year, had one of the 15 other contenders managed to show Trump's blustering for what it truly is in the primary. Alas, they weren't able to and we are stuck with Her. Sigh. |
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Post by harleydays on Oct 22, 2016 4:10:34 GMT -7
Funny that no one has asked how she went from being dead broke in 2000 to now worth almost $250K. you mean 250 million... |
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Post by harleydays on Oct 22, 2016 4:12:00 GMT -7
I guess the Russians caused Killary to commit all her illegal acts, too....
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