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Post by John Doe on Nov 14, 2016 13:32:37 GMT -7
I have been watching Trumps transition closely via news reports and some subtle things are starting to filter out that may begin to make me think we are not in as bad a shape as I once thought.
some of what is filtering out puts him more in a position of being a middle of the road democrat.
this is the silver lining I was hoping for.
the downside is once democrats start to embrace him and the republicans start to see his policies align with the democratic party, they will give him the same resistance they gave Obama.
they may even try to impeach him.
i am talking Paul Ryan and his freedom caucus and the tea party.
i hope he continues this good start i have been hearing about and i hope republicans work with him regardless of whether his policy completely mirrors theirs or not.
i am praying for trump that he has a good presidency and he does right by the people and gets very little resistance from congressional republicans.
we the people are watching. there are no democrats this time to blame it on.
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Post by jorj on Nov 14, 2016 13:49:18 GMT -7
Trumps policies will NOT mirror republican or democrat ideals. I think you're being overly optimistic thinking he wil ever be anything democrat. So far I see him as more middle of the road, but still republican all the way. I highly anticipated this from the beginning. He's an outsider. He'll have to be middle of the road. And he's also a business man which means he will listen to both sides and make long term decisions. We shall see.
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Post by ranger06 on Nov 14, 2016 13:53:00 GMT -7
... there are no democrats this time to blame it on. Wrong. There are plenty in the Senate, the House, governors, state legislatures, judges etc.
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Post by John Doe on Nov 14, 2016 13:55:44 GMT -7
Jorj,
I will take "Middle Of the road" over "alt right" and "Tea Party" / "Freedom Caucus" any day.
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Post by bmccullough on Nov 14, 2016 14:29:59 GMT -7
... there are no democrats this time to blame it on. Wrong. There are plenty in the Senate, the House, governors, state legislatures, judges etc. Republicans won the majority in both the House and Senate - federally. While Democrats picked up a handful of seats, majority rests with Repubs. John D. is right that the GOP (at the federal level) cannot blame Democrats for what comes next. I am interested to see how Trump plans to 'drain the swamp' all while using "the swamp" to educate him on Washington politics and setting his administration in place. Heck, even McConnell has gone on record to say that any plans of limiting Congressional terms will not be entertained much less discussed, period. And, Ryan seconded that sentiment. He also went further and said that any infrastructure proposals will be pushed back indefinitely. That's two of Trump's promises that the GOP will put to bed before they've even brushed their teeth. The immigration mass-deportation plan will also be derailed, as Ryan said it wasn't a priority at this time and needed to be "looked at." I'm guessing that during the next two years (before mid-term elections) we will see Obamacare repealed (cause its inevitable), and a Trump-lite tax plan that gives the top 1% tax breaks (again), while continuing to ignore the middle class. Same-old standard from the GOP, basically. Note to Trump - the next time you promise to "drain the swamp" in Washington, you also need to include all incumbent members of Congress, think-tanks, and side-administrations. Otherwise, you're just another politician with false promises of greatness and grandeur.
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Post by ranger06 on Nov 14, 2016 14:47:44 GMT -7
Wrong. There are plenty in the Senate, the House, governors, state legislatures, judges etc. cannot blame Democrats for what comes next. Two wrongs don't make a right. The Demos were the party of no and will continue as such. Just because they are not in the majority doesn't mean they can't be blamed.
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Post by bmccullough on Nov 14, 2016 14:51:59 GMT -7
cannot blame Democrats for what comes next. Two wrongs don't make a right. The Demos were the party of no and will continue as such. Just because they are not in the majority doesn't mean they can't be blamed. What country were you in for the past 8 years while the GOP said 'no' to every single proposal made by the Obama Administration?
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Post by ranger06 on Nov 14, 2016 15:05:58 GMT -7
Two wrongs don't make a right. The Demos were the party of no and will continue as such. Just because they are not in the majority doesn't mean they can't be blamed. What country were you in for the past 8 years while the GOP said 'no' to every single proposal made by the Obama Administration? What country were you in for the past 8 years while the Democrats said 'no' to every single proposal made by the GOP on Obama care, not to mention all the House bills to repeal it? And BTW, you just backed me up by showing the party out of power still gets blamed. Let's see if John Doe takes you off his Christmas card list form destroying his argument.
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Post by bmccullough on Nov 16, 2016 14:30:59 GMT -7
What country were you in for the past 8 years while the GOP said 'no' to every single proposal made by the Obama Administration? What country were you in for the past 8 years while the Democrats said 'no' to every single proposal made by the GOP on Obama care, not to mention all the House bills to repeal it? And BTW, you just backed me up by showing the party out of power still gets blamed. Let's see if John Doe takes you off his Christmas card list form destroying his argument. Democrats held majority for only the first two of the 8 years of Obama's presidency, during which time the ACA was enacted. It (the ACA) then spent approximately the next 2 to 4 years in the Supreme Court on questions of constitutionality, due in large part to the taxes imposed for non-participation with a smaller, more narrow look at whether or not the ACA was constitutional in its general "enforcement" of insurance on the uninsured. The remaining 6 years of Obama's presidency were spent trying to work with a Republican-majority Senate - which as you have so eloquently put in past posts, holds the "yay or nay" in legislation and passing of bills. So, I don't think that I backed your argument - unless your argument is viewed with Republican blinders to your parties inactions and regressive stances of late (i.e., the whole of the past 6 years).
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Post by ranger06 on Nov 16, 2016 16:04:39 GMT -7
Democrats held majority for only the first two of the 8 years of Obama's presidency, during which time the ACA was enacted. It (the ACA) then spent approximately the next 2 to 4 years in the Supreme Court on questions of constitutionality, due in large part to the taxes imposed for non-participation with a smaller, more narrow look at whether or not the ACA was constitutional in its general "enforcement" of insurance on the uninsured. The remaining 6 years of Obama's presidency were spent trying to work with a Republican-majority Senate - which as you have so eloquently put in past posts, holds the "yay or nay" in legislation and passing of bills. So, I don't think that I backed your argument - unless your argument is viewed with Republican blinders to your parties inactions and regressive stances of late (i.e., the whole of the past 6 years). You need to do a better job documenting which party controlled what. True, the Democrats controlled both chambers the 1st two years of the Obama presidency, but the rest you've got wrong. The Republicans controlled the House the past 6 years but didn't regain the Senate until January 2015. Your statement "The remaining 6 years of Obama's presidency were spent trying to work with a Republican-majority Senate..." is false. The Republicans have held the Senate for almost 2 years now. Must be those Democrat blinders or sumpin'. 111th Congress, 1/2009 - 1/2011, Democrats both chambers en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress 112th Congress, 1/2011 - 1/2013, Democrat Senate, Republican House. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/112th_United_States_Congress 113th Congress, 1/2013 - 1/2015, Democrat Senate, Republican House, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/113th_United_States_Congress 114th Congress, 1/2015 - 2017, Republican Senate Republican House, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/114th_United_States_Congress The 1st 2 years the Republicans were shut out of anything Obamacare by the Democrat controlled Congress. The next 4 years all House bills trying to change Obamacare were refused by the Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid - a Democrat. The last 2 years Obama threatened to veto any Obamacare bill passed by the Republican controlled Congress. As neither chamber had veto proof majorities, the party of no prevailed. Hoofie, your timing is excellent. tnewsbackupforum.boards.net/thread/670/trump-learn-obamas-mistakes-columnSo again you backed my statement of "Just because they are not in the majority doesn't mean they can't be blamed." And BTW, your statement should read "your party's", "not your parties". It is singular possessive.
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Post by bmccullough on Dec 22, 2016 12:52:40 GMT -7
It will mean that Trump will follow his campaign points of no longer allowing "pay to play" antics, as he accused Hills of. The Old Post Office hotel in Washington is still owned by the government, but the property is leased to the Trump Organization. There is language within the lease agreement that states clearly that "No ... elected official of the Government of the United States ... shall be admitted to any share or part of this Lease, or to any benefit that may arise therefrom." - which Trump will breach come January 21, 2017, should he decide that he's above all conflicts of interest clauses other government officials are held to, including the Emoluments Clause of the U.S. Constitution. Here's a link to the explanation of the potential breach of contract/lease: Law Professor Explanation of Potential Breach of Lease Agreement
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Post by bmccullough on Jan 6, 2017 9:30:26 GMT -7
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