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Post by John Doe on Jun 5, 2017 13:04:45 GMT -7
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Post by Entimos on Jun 6, 2017 6:09:28 GMT -7
What about the crooks in DC who stole the Social Security surpluses and spent them in the general fund? Why support Bernie's plan when Congress has demonstrated their propensity to be poor managers of the money that they already get from us? Once again, until we fix the horrific waste and corruption, I do not favor more taxes.
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Post by osha on Jun 6, 2017 16:23:27 GMT -7
What about the crooks in DC who stole the Social Security surpluses and spent them in the general fund? Why support Bernie's plan when Congress has demonstrated their propensity to be poor managers of the money that they already get from us? Once again, until we fix the horrific waste and corruption, I do not favor more taxes. So really then you say the government's incompetence takes presidence over the needs of others. That whats wrong with right wing thinking. Instead of making the government accountable and demanding it, the right and you the christian guy says screw a section of the population for what you rightly view as wrong. Complain about the wrong and fix it but don't punish others for wrongs they didn't commit.
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Post by hoofie on Jun 7, 2017 5:27:34 GMT -7
What about the crooks in DC who stole the Social Security surpluses and spent them in the general fund? Why support Bernie's plan when Congress has demonstrated their propensity to be poor managers of the money that they already get from us? Once again, until we fix the horrific waste and corruption, I do not favor more taxes. So really then you say the government's incompetence takes presidence over the needs of others. That whats wrong with right wing thinking. Instead of making the government accountable and demanding it, the right and you the christian guy says screw a section of the population for what you rightly view as wrong. Complain about the wrong and fix it but don't punish others for wrongs they didn't commit. (Since we seem to still be labeling "sides") So really then you say that providing help to those that need it is more important than the waste and fraud that occurs in providing it. This needs to be done at all costs! That's what's wrong with left wing thinking. They are always willing to help out someone as long as it's some else's money. They constantly protest "share the wealth", but you never see a sign that says "share the work". You can't make something morally correct by using money taken by force (taxes). You can only morally fix something with your own wallet. Almost 70% of the current Federal budget is entitlement programs. Are you paying 70% of your disposable income to charity?
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Post by Entimos on Jun 7, 2017 6:25:11 GMT -7
What about the crooks in DC who stole the Social Security surpluses and spent them in the general fund? Why support Bernie's plan when Congress has demonstrated their propensity to be poor managers of the money that they already get from us? Once again, until we fix the horrific waste and corruption, I do not favor more taxes. So really then you say the government's incompetence takes presidence over the needs of others. That whats wrong with right wing thinking. Instead of making the government accountable and demanding it, the right and you the christian guy says screw a section of the population for what you rightly view as wrong. Complain about the wrong and fix it but don't punish others for wrongs they didn't commit. No one is saying to "screw" any section of the population, unless you can find a proposal for a reduction of SS benefits in my posts. And why interject my religion when that's not been part of the conversation? Christians privately help more people and are more selfless and generous than the humanist/atheist/socialist crowd. And they don't do it through the sanctioned theft called taxation as the government does. "Right wing thinking" is to make the government accountable BEFORE throwing more money down that rat hole of government waste. The fact is that 70% of the taxes collected for entitlements go to government bureaucrats, not those in need. We wouldn't need Bernie's socialist solution if the government was properly managing the funds that they have. But as Hoofie noted, it's someone else's money that the government confiscated, so they just don't care whether it's wasted or not. That's how the left thinks.
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Post by osha on Jun 7, 2017 7:03:37 GMT -7
So really then you say the government's incompetence takes presidence over the needs of others. That whats wrong with right wing thinking. Instead of making the government accountable and demanding it, the right and you the christian guy says screw a section of the population for what you rightly view as wrong. Complain about the wrong and fix it but don't punish others for wrongs they didn't commit. (Since we seem to still be labeling "sides") So really then you say that providing help to those that need it is more important than the waste and fraud that occurs in providing it. This needs to be done at all costs! That's what's wrong with left wing thinking. They are always willing to help out someone as long as it's some else's money. They constantly protest "share the wealth", but you never see a sign that says "share the work". You can't make something morally correct by using money taken by force (taxes). You can only morally fix something with your own wallet. Almost 70% of the current Federal budget is entitlement programs. Are you paying 70% of your disposable income to charity? Of course I'm still labeling sides. You don't hear the left asking people to be thrown under the bus. And yes, I have said before, taxes is robbery. But in a current system where the majority of Americans have no or little savings, jobs are shipped off to other countries, today's generations will be the first to make less then their parents and the list could go on. We go on and on about waste. I agree, cut waste. But again we are ignoring the elephant in the room, military spending. Why is it right to complain about programs that help people but not complain about the huge military spending? We would rather starve Veterans and the elderly but keep the military machine finely oiled and primed for war. Sure, work if you can. But people on social security are asking for a hand out. They are asking to get what they were promised.
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Post by osha on Jun 7, 2017 10:42:24 GMT -7
No one is saying to "screw" any section of the population, unless you can find a proposal for a reduction of SS benefits in my posts. And why interject my religion when that's not been part of the conversation? Christians privately help more people and are more selfless and generous than the humanist/atheist/socialist crowd. And they don't do it through the sanctioned theft called taxation as the government does. "Right wing thinking" is to make the government accountable BEFORE throwing more money down that rat hole of government waste. The fact is that 70% of the taxes collected for entitlements go to government bureaucrats, not those in need. We wouldn't need Bernie's socialist solution if the government was properly managing the funds that they have. But as Hoofie noted, it's someone else's money that the government confiscated, so they just don't care whether it's wasted or not. That's how the left thinks. This was your post introducing yourself to these forums: Howdy. I visited the old Tuscaloosa News forum sometimes, mainly for Hoofie's "fail" and "pet" threads. I'm a native Southerner, a Christian and I am exceedingly conservative on most issues, especially social and personal liberty issues. How about you folks? You told us you were from the South. You told us you were a Christian and you told us you were conservative. In a nutshell, you are a Southern Christian conservative. You said that and that is the standard you asked to be held to. Your supposed to care about others and I will hold you to that. Because you admitted that you belong to a group that is supposed to do as such. If I introduced myself to a forum as loving the theories of Carl Marx, I would image I would live with that during my whole time on the forum. People would want to debate those theories with me and my socialist views would surely spark people holding me to that and being against me since my views would not be popular at all. So yes, if you introduce yourself as something when you say hello to me, I hold that in mind. To not only be careful not to offend you (I probably would not swear in front of a Christian) and to hold your feet to the fire. If your saying your against something because you believe there is to much waste, then that is fine. When that thing helps people who may not be in your economic position, your not caring about other people. Sorry, that is how I feel. If you do not want to be held to a standard then be very careful about what expectations of a standard you ask to be associated with.
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Post by hoofie on Jun 7, 2017 12:38:30 GMT -7
I'm going to let Penn have my last word on this:
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Post by osha on Jun 7, 2017 13:03:52 GMT -7
I'm going to let Penn have my last word on this:
Well, his thinking is flawed as well. Has compassion saved the homeless? Has compassion eradicated hunger in our country? Has compassion taken care of the elderly? Has compassion saved a cancer surivivors home? Has compassion raised wages? Has compassion Helped college kids? If any of the above is false, then compassion does not work. That means that programs have to pick up the slack. How many people would be homeless if it wasn't for section 8? How many people would starve if it wasn't for food stamps? How many kids would die if it wasn't for medicaid? How many disabled people would be homeless if it wasn't for Social Security? Taxes are not going away. The only result of program cuts is money is funneled into other places. I would support a 12 percent local tax. Why you ask? So I am the sole owner of my property my home is on. Because as long as there is a tax on my property, I don't own my property. Why are we not up in arms about that? No, of course not.... Attack the poor is the name of the game.
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Post by hoofie on Jun 7, 2017 14:07:22 GMT -7
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Post by osha on Jun 7, 2017 17:17:09 GMT -7
Of course cities don't want people helping the homeless. Cities don't want these places being hotspots for the homeless. So they discourage helping the homeless hoping that homeless people will leave. I understand the thinking, I just don't agree with the method.
But even still. Before that practice was widespread there were homeless people and starving people. So as I said, kindness cannot and has never solved all the problems. And kindness surely wouldn't support all the elderly and disabled in this nation. Not to even mention the Veterans. Sure, many groups including religious groups are able to claim random kindness. But as I said above, if random kindness is not solving all the problems, it's not working. And you folks complain about being forced to pay for others. Yhea, caring when you sit on your high horse complain about programs while your unable to fix the problems.
How about we try and find true solutions to the problems instead of yelling waste while only wanting to hurt others. Very easy to ignore the cheese line when you have your own cheese. When the day comes you need cheese you will pray for the cheese line you are against. Sad that compassion is not on the mind of these Christian folks. Greed, my tax dollars right? God should be so proud.
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Post by hoofie on Jun 8, 2017 4:57:02 GMT -7
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Post by osha on Jun 8, 2017 7:09:15 GMT -7
No one is doubting that people show compassion. They do.
What I am saying is that compassion alone is not going to solve the problems. Getting rid of programs only makes the problems worse. Further separating what compassion could not solve.
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Post by Entimos on Jun 8, 2017 12:51:07 GMT -7
You told us you were from the South. You told us you were a Christian and you told us you were conservative. In a nutshell, you are a Southern Christian conservative. You said that and that is the standard you asked to be held to. Your supposed to care about others and I will hold you to that. Because you admitted that you belong to a group that is supposed to do as such. If I introduced myself to a forum as loving the theories of Carl Marx, I would image I would live with that during my whole time on the forum. People would want to debate those theories with me and my socialist views would surely spark people holding me to that and being against me since my views would not be popular at all. So yes, if you introduce yourself as something when you say hello to me, I hold that in mind. To not only be careful not to offend you (I probably would not swear in front of a Christian) and to hold your feet to the fire. If your saying your against something because you believe there is to much waste, then that is fine. When that thing helps people who may not be in your economic position, your not caring about other people. Sorry, that is how I feel. If you do not want to be held to a standard then be very careful about what expectations of a standard you ask to be associated with. Yes, I proudly proclaimed that I am Southern, Christian and conservative and still do. You and you alone jumped to the unfounded and therefore fictional conclusion that Southerners, Christians or conservatives somehow don't care about people if we oppose throwing more and more government confiscated money at those folks. That's just not true. I'll correct anyone, including you, that posts the false "you don't care" smear and demand that such nonsense be backed up with facts or dropped. How about this....if someone supports a corrupt, confiscatory system that keeps 70% of the money collected and only sends 30% to those in need, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that such a person doesn't really care about those poor people? And yet, unlike you, this Southern, Christian conservative made no such assumption about you.
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Post by osha on Jun 8, 2017 13:20:28 GMT -7
You told us you were from the South. You told us you were a Christian and you told us you were conservative. In a nutshell, you are a Southern Christian conservative. You said that and that is the standard you asked to be held to. Your supposed to care about others and I will hold you to that. Because you admitted that you belong to a group that is supposed to do as such. If I introduced myself to a forum as loving the theories of Carl Marx, I would image I would live with that during my whole time on the forum. People would want to debate those theories with me and my socialist views would surely spark people holding me to that and being against me since my views would not be popular at all. So yes, if you introduce yourself as something when you say hello to me, I hold that in mind. To not only be careful not to offend you (I probably would not swear in front of a Christian) and to hold your feet to the fire. If your saying your against something because you believe there is to much waste, then that is fine. When that thing helps people who may not be in your economic position, your not caring about other people. Sorry, that is how I feel. If you do not want to be held to a standard then be very careful about what expectations of a standard you ask to be associated with. Yes, I proudly proclaimed that I am Southern, Christian and conservative and still do. You and you alone jumped to the unfounded and therefore fictional conclusion that Southerners, Christians or conservatives somehow don't care about people if we oppose throwing more and more government confiscated money at those folks. That's just not true. I'll correct anyone, including you, that posts the false "you don't care" smear and demand that such nonsense be backed up with facts or dropped. How about this....if someone supports a corrupt, confiscatory system that keeps 70% of the money collected and only sends 30% to those in need, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that such a person doesn't really care about those poor people? And yet, unlike you, this Southern, Christian conservative made no such assumption about you. I gave no standard to judge me by. But, you did give that standard. I don't care how the government spends money when it comes to helping people. Waste I agree is an issue. But when you align with a religion that is supposed to help people including the poor and you are so caught up in what the government does bad with money instead of being caught up in how the government helps people, you, again, are not following what your religion teaches. If you support cutting programs you support throwing people under the bus. That is not caring about other people and you don't seem to understand that. Feel free and correct me. Because if I have to quote the bible to make a point I will. And that would be using your standard that you asked to be guaged by. And as I have said, cut waste and that's fine. What bothers me is this mentality that goes on about "not with my tax money". Like taxes are going to vanish and you are going to get "your" money back.
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