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Post by John Doe on Jun 15, 2017 8:43:34 GMT -7
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Post by hoofie on Jun 15, 2017 10:30:59 GMT -7
You might want to at least consider reading unbiased material. Oh, and here's the bio on the author of the op-ed piece:
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Post by osha on Jun 15, 2017 12:10:37 GMT -7
Is it not common knowledge that less customers in any business means less demand which means less jobs?
It doesn't matter the source, this should be common knowledge.
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Post by JMHO on Jun 15, 2017 12:17:01 GMT -7
Any article, any op-ed from anyone claiming Life as We Know it will Cease to Exist, from either side of the political aisle is recognized for the Extremism it is and taken with the appropriate grains/buckets of salt and healthy doses of skepticism. Just a thought... it might do wonders for your blood pressure.
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Post by hoofie on Jun 15, 2017 12:44:40 GMT -7
Is it not common knowledge that less customers in any business means less demand which means less jobs? It doesn't matter the source, this should be common knowledge. Look at the author's provided bio. I suspect she has no credentials in economics.
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Post by John Doe on Jun 15, 2017 20:10:37 GMT -7
it doesn't take an economists to understand when you pull a combine 1.4 Trillion Dollars from any economy you are going to have huge job losses!!!
Trump is proposing an 800 billion cut in TrumpCare and another 600 billion in his budget.
granted it is proposal right now but are there really enough moderate common sense senate republicans left who will think this is too draconian and reject these massive cuts?
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Post by hoofie on Jun 16, 2017 5:00:28 GMT -7
Our National debt-to-income ratio is approaching insolvency. Annual income has averaged $3 Trillion the past several years, while spending has averaged over $4 Trillion. Our debt was $5.8 Trillion in the year 2000, then $10 Trillion in 2008, to $20 Trillion today. The debt is over 6 times our income. www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htmHow does paying rent on empty buildings, free haircuts and catered lunches for Congress, new glassware and cutlery for the State Department, and private aircraft use for top officials good for the economy? It's not how much you cut, it's where you cut it.
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Post by John Doe on Jun 16, 2017 6:08:31 GMT -7
then we take osha's suggestion from another thread and mandate that the funding going to the recipients don't get cut that the cuts need to be made in the administrative budget of the agencies.
but that won't happen.
also we need to make deals that bring good paying jobs back to the USA instead of making deals that make it easy to ship jobs overseas.
do you know corporations can take a tax write off for moving expenses related to shipping jobs out of country?
we make it easy to move jobs to low wage countries when we should be making it difficult.
that is just plain wrong.
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Post by hoofie on Jun 16, 2017 8:03:39 GMT -7
then we take osha's suggestion from another thread and mandate that the funding going to the recipients don't get cut that the cuts need to be made in the administrative budget of the agencies. but that won't happen. also we need to make deals that bring good paying jobs back to the USA instead of making deals that make it easy to ship jobs overseas. do you know corporations can take a tax write off for moving expenses related to shipping jobs out of country? we make it easy to move jobs to low wage countries when we should be making it difficult. that is just plain wrong. On that we can agree both with the funding mandate and the need to rewrite the tax code. Here's another bureaucratic maneuver: Let's say a department has always received an 8% annual increase, but this year the increase is only 3%. It is now a 5% cut! That's how government works and I am sick of it.
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Post by John Doe on Jun 16, 2017 8:27:21 GMT -7
Hold government agencies to the same standard we hold 501c's to. I think it is 70-80% of the funds need to make it to the people that agency is suppose to help any less and that agency gets audited and a criminal investigation ensues.
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Post by Entimos on Jun 16, 2017 15:05:34 GMT -7
then we take osha's suggestion from another thread and mandate that the funding going to the recipients don't get cut that the cuts need to be made in the administrative budget of the agencies. but that won't happen. also we need to make deals that bring good paying jobs back to the USA instead of making deals that make it easy to ship jobs overseas. do you know corporations can take a tax write off for moving expenses related to shipping jobs out of country? we make it easy to move jobs to low wage countries when we should be making it difficult. that is just plain wrong. I agree with all that you have said above. I do believe that our representatives could force administrative cuts and mandate that the final recipient see no reduction....but they would have to show the courage to do so. It's interesting that despite my conservative leanings and your progressive leanings, on trade issues and corporate tax loopholes, we are in agreement! Gentlemen, is there hope for us after all? I'm not being facetious with that question, by the way.
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Post by Entimos on Jun 16, 2017 15:17:35 GMT -7
Hold government agencies to the same standard we hold 501c's to. I think it is 70-80% of the funds need to make it to the people that agency is suppose to help any less and that agency gets audited and a criminal investigation ensues. JD, I'd be tickled if the government could reach 50 or 60% actually going for the purpose intended; it's around 30% right now. I would also advocate audits and investigations into some of the strung out overpriced projects like the F-22 and F-35 fighters for DOD and efforts to address the horrible redundancy in government programs. www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/04/08/billions-spent-on-duplicate-federal-programs/7435221/
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Post by osha on Jun 16, 2017 15:32:14 GMT -7
We could do many things to save money.
Social Security for instance is very expensive because we have offices everywhere and those offices have employees and those employees likely make nothing close to low wages.
Close down the buildings and cetralize everything into a call center. Courts are already established that guage eligability for disabilty and such. Make those courts also responsible for loacal affairs.
We just saved a lot of money right there.
Medical and food stamps. Instead of having hundreds of offices throughout the country, close them down. We have the technology and we can do everything from a centralized call center and we could send what needs sending. We could even have people who work in baby wards in hospitals to guage for assistance needed.
We just saved a lot of money right there.
I am guilty of always comparing my home budget to the government budget. I am always told there is a big difference. Really, there isn't. If I go and buy a new car, I have to give up something to pay for the car. Maybe it is simply food or maybe it is something else. But the problem is, our government does something that costs money but gets rid of the wrong thing. Trump, for instance, wants to spend more on military, but he wants to take a pay cut in the form of tax cuts on the rich. How does that work? You can't take a huge cut in income and turn around and buy a new pickup truck. It makes no sense and this is the fantasy that makes us bicker back and forth.
Costs are out of control and I have 5000 employees. How do I cut costs? I look at where I spend the most money. Now let's say in this instance labor costs me more then anything else by a large margin. I have to figure out how to cut labor and still keep production on track. I could automate some things and lower costs by then saving on labor. The government can do this.
The government instead sees the cost. Instead of automating things (call center), they go after the workers and want the workers to live on less. This doesn't make any sense at all. We can pay more and hope it works out in the end? Nonesense!
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Post by hoofie on Jun 16, 2017 15:33:33 GMT -7
Israel has a law, that if revenues to not meet or exceed the budget, those revenues become next year's budget.
I like it.
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Post by osha on Jun 18, 2017 10:55:30 GMT -7
America
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