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Post by hoofie on Aug 9, 2017 13:04:19 GMT -7
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Post by Entimos on Aug 9, 2017 14:14:36 GMT -7
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Post by ranger06 on Aug 9, 2017 15:43:35 GMT -7
Seems we've heard this before: " ...and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever." - G. Wallace
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Post by hoofie on Aug 10, 2017 4:50:46 GMT -7
As they state in the article, if white students asked for a whites only dorm, the PC crowd heads would explode. Why do we continue to allow selective segregation? What happened to "all men are created equal........."?
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Post by badman on Aug 10, 2017 18:59:51 GMT -7
“The point and purpose is if you are a Latina and you are an engineering major, with a very specific specialization, you may not ever see anybody who looks like you,” Whittenburg explained. “But when you come home, here is your opportunity to get some support and to deal with some of the microaggressions you might have had to deal with throughout your entire day when you’ve been at class.”
I know this isn't 1982, but back then my 4 years at NCSU ended seeming to have wasted 2 years having to take elective courses, even in a "very specific specialization". There was plenty of opportunity for everyone to "see anybody who looks like you."
We didn't have segregated dorms then, and wouldn't need them now without liberals. Without fabricating victims, there is no need for liberals.
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Post by JMHO on Aug 11, 2017 9:51:43 GMT -7
I cannot fathom why NC State's forced Segregation would be any more successful than its historically ill-fated predecessors.
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Post by jiminix on Aug 17, 2017 13:38:55 GMT -7
When I post a message, I generally do it with the assumption that somebody is there who may be interested in a rational discussion. Needless to say, my anticipation of rational response is not always met. Let's see how it goes this time.
Is a dorm for black students equivalent to a dorm for white students? The answer is NO.
Dorms for white students used to be common, and their purpose was to preserve the dominant status of whites in society, to exclude black students from access to the priveleges that whites enjoy by birth.
The purpose of a black dorm is not to exclude whites from anything. Its purpose is to provide a level of safety and nondiscrimination that white students have automatically, and that black students may not get in an ordinary dorm. It is not to secure something EXTRA for black students that white students can't get.
I have never believed that self-selected segregation was a good idea. But self-selected segregation to avoid discrimination is NOT equivalent to imposed discriminatory segregation. To claim they are equivalent is thinly disguised white supremacy.
The dorm proposal under discussion here appears to have a different motivation - common interest and peer support rather than safety or avoidance of overt discrimination. Eliminate the racial aspect of the proposal, and I think the idea may have some merit. A dorm for female science and technology students could be beneficial (if there are enough to populate a dorm).
Still, if the idea were proposed at my university, I would argue against it. I believe the best society is one that works to eliminate its discriminations, and that is not helped by any kind of segregation of living quarters. Students justifiably at times seek the company of those most similar to themselves, and for that purpose there are countless student clubs and national organizations. But in my opinion no student should be encouraged to confine their associations to those similar to themselves.
Liberals are a heterogeneous group - one of our principles is the tolerance of diversity. Our opinions are not as uniform as conservatives, so don't assume that one liberal's viewpoint represents all the others.
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Post by hoofie on Aug 17, 2017 15:10:12 GMT -7
Having a dorm for females only majoring in science and technology I can understand. When you specify that it's for Latino and black females, common sense goes out the window (in my opinion). What about the Asians or middle easterners? Put all females together as colleagues and that's a good thing, especially, again in my opinion, it's outside of the Greek Societies.
Equality means the same opportunities, not the same outcome. Sooner or later these students will enter the workplace and be required to play by EEOC rules. The sooner that behavior is learned, the better.
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Post by jiminix on Aug 17, 2017 15:22:25 GMT -7
Equality means the same opportunities, not the same outcome. Sooner or later these students will enter the workplace and be required to play by EEOC rules. The sooner that behavior is learned, the better. The culture of the workplace, especially in technology, is of the men, by the men, and for the men. This is not something that people should be willing to learn and abide by, but should be prepared by their education to fight against.
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Post by hoofie on Aug 17, 2017 15:48:11 GMT -7
A lot of my technology contacts are women. One of whom I've known for 25 years. She is my go-to when the tier-2 techs are scratching their heads. Must be an industry thing.
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Post by jiminix on Aug 17, 2017 16:58:13 GMT -7
A lot of my technology contacts are women. One of whom I've known for 25 years. She is my go-to when the tier-2 techs are scratching their heads. Must be an industry thing. You're doing you part. We need more of that.
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Post by hoofie on Aug 18, 2017 6:08:44 GMT -7
To circle back to the topic, Universities should be preparing the students for the real world. Creating divisions, whether by race, gender, or political ideology needs to stop. The bigger picture is fitting into our economy and make it the best in the world.
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Post by JMHO on Aug 21, 2017 13:26:05 GMT -7
When I post a message, I generally do it with the assumption that somebody is there who may be interested in a rational discussion. Needless to say, my anticipation of rational response is not always met. Let's see how it goes this time. I believe the best society is one that works to eliminate its discriminations, and that is not helped by any kind of segregation of living quarters. Students justifiably at times seek the company of those most similar to themselves, and for that purpose there are countless student clubs and national organizations. But in my opinion no student should be encouraged to confine their associations to those similar to themselves. While I disagree with your use of patronization for your opening line, I wholeheartedly agree with the above paragraph and that would be my own major objection to dorms restrictive by race. I have not seen in liberals a universal tolerance for diversity in thought. Universal because I dislike the use of generalities and because the majority of those I know personally who identify themselves thusly have proven an openness, if not acceptance, of alternative opinions. Conservatives are no more uniform than liberals, your statement proving once more why generalizations are so flawed. Were that true, there would be no conservative backlash toward Trump (there is) or Charlottesville (there is) or countless other times when conservatives or Republicans did not agree with one another.
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Post by forsight on Aug 22, 2017 8:33:45 GMT -7
The equal world today is: Blacks,Whites,Spanish,Muslim's,Gay's ,Trangenders all room together if they wish. I support that 100% its a anything go world today. We must go alone too fit in with a new young generation and all be looked at as one color not white!
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