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Post by jiminix on Oct 29, 2016 19:02:49 GMT -7
Republicans have long claimed that voter ID laws are absolutely necessary to prevent all the voter fraud at the polls. Their problem is, they just can't find any of that fraud. Well, now it's been found in Iowa. iowapublicradio.org/post/des-moines-woman-says-she-voted-twice-trump-because-polls-are-riggedBut for Republicans, lack of evidence has been replaced by a few other problems. First, the person arrested for voting more than once is not one of those nasty Democrats, but a Republican true supporter of Trump. Second, it didn't require a voter ID law to catch the culprit, because Iowa doesn't have any voter ID law. In Iowa, you don't need an ID to vote if you have voted before. If you never voted before, you can use any of the following for valid ID to vote: Any current photo ID, A copy of a current utility bill, A copy of a current bank statement, A copy of a current paycheck, government check, or other government document that shows your name and address. www.google.com/search?q=does+iowa+have+voter+id
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Post by hoofie on Oct 30, 2016 10:25:12 GMT -7
Last Thursday, I wasn't here because I had a minor surgical procedure done. Care to guess what I needed to be admitted? (hint: it has my photo on it).
Then, to add insult to injury, we stopped to get the pain meds that were prescribed to me. Guess what I needed. (hint: it has my picture on it.)
Who in this country does not have an ID, utility bill, paycheck, or any document with their name on it?
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Post by jiminix on Oct 30, 2016 12:55:09 GMT -7
Last Thursday, I wasn't here because I had a minor surgical procedure done. Care to guess what I needed to be admitted? (hint: it has my photo on it). Then, to add insult to injury, we stopped to get the pain meds that were prescribed to me. Guess what I needed. (hint: it has my picture on it.) Who in this country does not have an ID, utility bill, paycheck, or any document with their name on it? I have no problem with voter ID requirements. What I do have a problem with is a voter ID law whose intent and effect is to disenfranchise eligible voters. There was a story in the news last week of a 97-year old black woman who has voted for decades, but was purged from the voter rolls by aggressive enforcement of a new voter ID law in some southern state. She has no birth certificate because she was born at home, no driver's license, no gun permit, etc. -- she has none of the documents required to be reinstated as a registered voter. There was also the story a while back of a Republican state legislator in Ohio who crowed after passage of their voter ID law that now the Republicans would sweep the state elections, now that there wouldn't be so many black people voting. When Pennsylvania passed their law, the state election commission said there were 800,000 voters who didn't have valid voter ID, and there was no way the state could provide that many before the next election. In Texas also, this year, officials estimated more than a million registered voters in the state don't have the required voter ID. There are easy ways to phase in voter ID so that no eligible voter ever gets turned away from the polls. But the Republicans in control of these states don't want that. Their intention is to suppress demographic groups that tend to vote Democratic. Voter ID laws do not allow utility bills, paychecks, student picture IDs, etc., to be used when voting. That wouldn't accomplish the lawmakers' intent to disenfranchise.
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Post by harleydays on Oct 31, 2016 7:36:51 GMT -7
Last Thursday, I wasn't here because I had a minor surgical procedure done. Care to guess what I needed to be admitted? (hint: it has my photo on it). Then, to add insult to injury, we stopped to get the pain meds that were prescribed to me. Guess what I needed. (hint: it has my picture on it.) Who in this country does not have an ID, utility bill, paycheck, or any document with their name on it? I have no problem with voter ID requirements. What I do have a problem with is a voter ID law whose intent and effect is to disenfranchise eligible voters. There was a story in the news last week of a 97-year old black woman who has voted for decades, but was purged from the voter rolls by aggressive enforcement of a new voter ID law in some southern state. She has no birth certificate because she was born at home, no driver's license, no gun permit, etc. -- she has none of the documents required to be reinstated as a registered voter. There was also the story a while back of a Republican state legislator in Ohio who crowed after passage of their voter ID law that now the Republicans would sweep the state elections, now that there wouldn't be so many black people voting. When Pennsylvania passed their law, the state election commission said there were 800,000 voters who didn't have valid voter ID, and there was no way the state could provide that many before the next election. In Texas also, this year, officials estimated more than a million registered voters in the state don't have the required voter ID. There are easy ways to phase in voter ID so that no eligible voter ever gets turned away from the polls. But the Republicans in control of these states don't want that. Their intention is to suppress demographic groups that tend to vote Democratic. Voter ID laws do not allow utility bills, paychecks, student picture IDs, etc., to be used when voting. That wouldn't accomplish the lawmakers' intent to disenfranchise. Jimi, I am a resident of 3 countries...2 of those require voter ID's and in cases based on state, the US does not...The Dominican Republic has a population of about 11 million with 7 million or so eligible voters...It is a country much poorer than the US...yet, the people still find away to vote using the ID as required...This idea of disenfranchising is a BS progressive movement...I understand the case you presented...but its up to every American to be able to identify who they are when required...I would like to ask, how has this woman proved her identity in the past if she has to use a credit card or apply for anything such as a bank account...There's millions of examples for the need of an ID...I don't bite on the disenfranchising progressive BS.
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Post by jiminix on Oct 31, 2016 14:07:49 GMT -7
I have no problem with voter ID requirements. What I do have a problem with is a voter ID law whose intent and effect is to disenfranchise eligible voters. There are easy ways to phase in voter ID so that no eligible voter ever gets turned away from the polls. But the Republicans in control of these states don't want that. Their intention is to suppress demographic groups that tend to vote Democratic. Jimi, I am a resident of 3 countries...2 of those require voter ID's and in cases based on state, the US does not...The Dominican Republic has a population of about 11 million with 7 million or so eligible voters...It is a country much poorer than the US...yet, the people still find away to vote using the ID as required...This idea of disenfranchising is a BS progressive movement...I understand the case you presented...but its up to every American to be able to identify who they are when required...I would like to ask, how has this woman proved her identity in the past if she has to use a credit card or apply for anything such as a bank account...There's millions of examples for the need of an ID...I don't bite on the disenfranchising progressive BS. It doesn't matter whether you buy it or not. It a fact. The state govts in PA and TX that passed the voter ID laws were Republican-controlled. They are the ones who said that their states have about a million registered voters each who don't have acceptable voter ID. If it weren't true and verifiable, why would they put out this "progressive BS" that makes them look so bad? You can tell that 97-year-old black woman that she doesn't exist, but I doubt it will convince her.
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Post by jorj on Oct 31, 2016 16:38:57 GMT -7
Where I vote I am required to verify my signature against a state document that proves I'm a citizen. I have no problem with that. None. Citizens who become citizens in this country are given those appropriate documents which they proudly show when asked. The laws are not intentionally set up to dis anyone. The ones, the far fewer ones that are citizens that haven't been able to prove their citizenship have not been very estate in trying over the years and only cry foul at election time. My advice to them is to get off the pot and find a way as an active citizen in this country. There are avenues available to them. By the way? Why would you NOT want to prove your citizenship to vote?
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Post by harleydays on Nov 1, 2016 8:37:52 GMT -7
Where I vote I am required to verify my signature against a state document that proves I'm a citizen. I have no problem with that. None. Citizens who become citizens in this country are given those appropriate documents which they proudly show when asked. The laws are not intentionally set up to dis anyone. The ones, the far fewer ones that are citizens that haven't been able to prove their citizenship have not been very estate in trying over the years and only cry foul at election time. My advice to them is to get off the pot and find a way as an active citizen in this country. There are avenues available to them. By the way? Why would you NOT want to prove your citizenship to vote? Because the Libtards are all for illegals and dead voters...
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Post by jiminix on Nov 1, 2016 12:59:48 GMT -7
Why would you NOT want to prove your citizenship to vote? Because the Libtards are all for illegals and dead voters... As we all know, Republicans have been doing their utmost for the last 20 years to find some actual cases of the fraud at the polls that they claim is rampant. They just can't find it. But it's a fundamental tenet of Republican religion that it's out there, and it's massive, even though it can't be found. Meanwhile, the voter fraud that may actually be somewhat significant - absentee voting fraud - is not addressed in any of the 25 recent Republican-promoted voter ID laws, passed and pending, of the last few years. The reason: absentee voting typically leans heavily Republican.
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Post by jorj on Nov 2, 2016 16:43:38 GMT -7
Republican and demo are even then.
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