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Post by badman on May 3, 2017 15:29:17 GMT -7
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Post by osha on May 3, 2017 17:15:36 GMT -7
Wow, what an interesting article. So in reality, Capitalists seek the lowest cost of production but create jobs with production. While they move to China for production. While Liberals create wealth from the work of others and create nothing but wealth. And of course the system pushes the poor towards socialism as a means to an end when neither system is really working. That article surely changed my perspective and thanks for sharing.
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Post by badman on May 3, 2017 17:43:57 GMT -7
Maybe best to read that article again. It seems that either you missed the point or that you choose to deny it.
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Post by osha on May 3, 2017 18:10:55 GMT -7
Maybe best to read that article again. It seems that either you missed the point or that you choose to deny it. Huh? I read the article and it is saying what I am saying. Except the part the poor being pushed to socialism which is true. In a failing economy, the poor beg for handouts (socialism) in order to take care of them. The capitalists (conservatives) produce products that rely on workers to produce. While liberals that are rich gathering wealth off the work of others. What exactly did I miss?
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Post by osha on May 3, 2017 18:24:01 GMT -7
And what exactly does this have to do with creating a 2 percent tax to provide medical insurance for everyone? About all the major developed nations on earth have universal medical and that is not socialism or otherwise, that is humanity solving a problem that should be solved.
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Post by badman on May 6, 2017 17:21:05 GMT -7
Ann Coulter just made a good suggestion on Watters' World. Let's keep Obamacare without the mandates and allow free market policies to compete against that. If you like Obamacare, you can keep it. If not, you have a choice of competitive options in a free market.
Very smart!
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Post by jiminix on May 6, 2017 18:58:47 GMT -7
Ann Coulter just made a good suggestion on Watters' World. Let's keep Obamacare without the mandates and allow free market policies to compete against that. If you like Obamacare, you can keep it. If not, you have a choice of competitive options in a free market. Very smart! There's a grain of truth there - if Republicans truly believed that healthcare as advocated by Democrats for decades won't work, then they should just let it be put into action and let everybody witness how it doesn't work. The fact is, Republicans know it will work, and that people will like it. So they have to work unceasingly to try to prevent it from working as intended. They have to throw up every roadblock they can create to try to obstruct its functioning. Back around 1995, after Democrats proposed healthcare reform and Republicans claimed any govt involvement in healthcare was a bad thing, Dick Armey was the Republican House Whip, and he admitted live on TV that some reform would have been a good thing, but that if Republicans allowed Democrats to pass anything on healthcare, it would be so popular that Republicans would be wiped out in elections for years to come. I wish I had a recording of that. Shortly after that comment, Newt Gingrich put a tight kibosh on Armey's say-what-you-think loose cannon style.
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Post by badman on May 7, 2017 13:00:46 GMT -7
jiminx, I have a feeling that a very large measure of the folks that have to insure themselves would drop PPACA if given the chance. My policy was outlawed (being labeled as junk)under the PPACA, then my premiums more than doubled, and was subject to fines if I decided not pay the increased premiums.
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Post by jiminix on May 7, 2017 16:36:51 GMT -7
jiminx, I have a feeling that a very large measure of the folks that have to insure themselves would drop PPACA if given the chance. My policy was outlawed (being labeled as junk)under the PPACA, then my premiums more than doubled, and was subject to fines if I decided not pay the increased premiums. I won't spend time defending the ACA, because I don't think it's a good plan. Though it certainly is better than anything the Republicans have ever suggested. The right plan is single payer. If we had that, then you wouldn't have premium increases, and nobody would have a junk plan with gaps in essential coverage. A healthy nation is a public good. It's good for the people who have better health, and it's good for the businesses and industries that have healthier employees. It's good for the nation. So it's justified to have those people and corporations pay for it who have benefited most from the resources and productivity of the nation. We need to go back to the founders' vision of government "for the people", instead of government for the aristocracy.
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Post by osha on May 7, 2017 16:48:07 GMT -7
jiminx, I have a feeling that a very large measure of the folks that have to insure themselves would drop PPACA if given the chance. My policy was outlawed (being labeled as junk)under the PPACA, then my premiums more than doubled, and was subject to fines if I decided not pay the increased premiums. I won't spend time defending the ACA, because I don't think it's a good plan. Though it certainly is better than anything the Republicans have ever suggested. The right plan is single payer. If we had that, then you wouldn't have premium increases, and nobody would have a junk plan with gaps in essential coverage. A healthy nation is a public good. It's good for the people who have better health, and it's good for the businesses and industries that have healthier employees. It's good for the nation. So it's justified to have those people and corporations pay for it who have benefited most from the resources and productivity of the nation. We need to go back to the founders' vision of government "for the people", instead of government for the aristocracy. I agree with you. And somehow these same people complaining about rising premiums want to go back to a system of rising premiums. Health is a lottery anyways. Some people smoke their whole life and live to be 90, some 40. Some people are born with heart defects and some never have a heart problems. Some kids get cancer and some don't, same with adults. I don't believe anyone should be punished for losing the health lottery.
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