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Post by ranger06 on Feb 23, 2018 15:56:32 GMT -7
My undies are showing?
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Post by osha on Feb 23, 2018 19:53:09 GMT -7
Who cares what box you claim to think outside of or even your imagined compassion, the proof is in the pudding. I'm enjoying the American dream, you're not. But be happy with the lot you chose. Since you won't open your eyes as to what people do that are successful, look at nature. What do animals do when the food or water supply runs low? Do they sit around on their lazy butts and cry, blame the government, blame earlier generations or gripe because they think others got it better? No, they move. If they think as you do, they die. What do animals do when there are too many predators? They move. Becoming something else's meal isn't part of their survival plan. What do animals do when mates are few? They move. The alternative is the loss of the species. And yes, animals do migrate. Why are you too good to do so? Capitalism wasn't new when the Constitution was written. It's been around since the 16th century (1500s) according to Karl Marx. The Constitution came around in the late 1780s. It was also in early Islam (700s). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CapitalismInflation has been with us since coins were first minted. Even China had it with paper money. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InflationNo, I didn't work all my life and got my job when WW2 ended and all those military men were coming home and using their money to start an economy. I wasn't even born yet. Besides, I am one of the men from the Iraq wars who came home and am doing great with all the money I saved. So are a whole bunch of my buddies. Well, I am glad I don't think inside your box. And imagined compassion? I happen to care about the poor and elderly and disabled, so imagined in your boxed, small mind. You show your lack of compassion by using animals as a means to back your flawed ideology. Animals don't pay rent/mortgage, animals don't buy food, animals don't need a car and a uhaul to move and insurance, animals don't have to plan for life as they act out of instinct. Why don't we talk about cause and effect? Why don't we find solutions to the problems instead of believing in cuts that create more poor and such? You're enjoying the fruits of your labor and bravo, proud of you, here, have a virtual pat on the back. But many people don't have the means to save and to even think about planning for retirement as they are to busy just trying to keep their head above water. Why don't we instead talk about wages following inflation? Or, why don't we get into the idea that if you wok, you should be able to at the very least support yourself? You right wingers and your own answers to problems are like regurgitated crap that you all seem to spew (is there a lack of compassion class somewhere?) and that crap solves no problem at all. What about the elderly and disabled in this country living on crumbs and most not even being able to buy their medications? Or, what about the children being raised in poor homes? Or, what about the cost of insurance? You talk about more wages and those wages mean nothing in the land of gains if inflation and insurance and such is eating up the cost of living. Hell, my sister and law pays more for health insurance then I pay for my mortgage. Here is some links for you so you can refute every one of them from your very tiny ideological box: Why should poverty be such a big problem in the richest nation on earth? federalsafetynet.com/us-poverty-statistics.html How do we tackle homelessness? www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2017-12-06/us-homeless-count-rises-pushed-by-crisis-on-the-west-coastGood jobs? www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-02-04/what-happened-to-all-the-good-jobsThis is not the years of old and all the new income is being shifted to the top. And still, we have tons of waste while people are struggling. And the answers that the right gives solves nothing. Trump wants to starve kids and families of the poor and the church vote to give tax cuts to the top (I'm sure their dunce of a God loves greed and hates the poor). Why don' we solve the problems and start with wages and inflation? We can and we should but nobody wants to talk about that. They instead rather argue back and forth about how they did well themselves. Well bravo, I'm sure a starving child is really proud of you. And military families are doing great. Can go and die for our country but can't even afford food: www.nbcnews.com/feature/in-plain-sight/hungry-heroes-25-percent-military-families-seek-food-aid-n180236
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 23, 2018 21:52:42 GMT -7
Well, I am glad I don't think inside your box. And imagined compassion? I happen to care about the poor and elderly and disabled, so imagined in your boxed, small mind. You show your lack of compassion by using animals as a means to back your flawed ideology. Animals don't pay rent/mortgage, animals don't buy food, animals don't need a car and a uhaul to move and insurance, animals don't have to plan for life as they act out of instinct. Why don't we talk about cause and effect? Why don't we find solutions to the problems instead of believing in cuts that create more poor and such? You're enjoying the fruits of your labor and bravo, proud of you, here, have a virtual pat on the back. But many people don't have the means to save and to even think about planning for retirement as they are to busy just trying to keep their head above water. Why don't we instead talk about wages following inflation? Or, why don't we get into the idea that if you wok, you should be able to at the very least support yourself? You right wingers and your own answers to problems are like regurgitated crap that you all seem to spew (is there a lack of compassion class somewhere?) and that crap solves no problem at all. What about the elderly and disabled in this country living on crumbs and most not even being able to buy their medications? Or, what about the children being raised in poor homes? Or, what about the cost of insurance? You talk about more wages and those wages mean nothing in the land of gains if inflation and insurance and such is eating up the cost of living. Hell, my sister and law pays more for health insurance then I pay for my mortgage. Here is some links for you so you can refute every one of them from your very tiny ideological box: Why should poverty be such a big problem in the richest nation on earth? federalsafetynet.com/us-poverty-statistics.html How do we tackle homelessness? www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2017-12-06/us-homeless-count-rises-pushed-by-crisis-on-the-west-coastGood jobs? www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-02-04/what-happened-to-all-the-good-jobsThis is not the years of old and all the new income is being shifted to the top. And still, we have tons of waste while people are struggling. And the answers that the right gives solves nothing. Trump wants to starve kids and families of the poor and the church vote to give tax cuts to the top (I'm sure their dunce of a God loves greed and hates the poor). Why don' we solve the problems and start with wages and inflation? We can and we should but nobody wants to talk about that. They instead rather argue back and forth about how they did well themselves. Well bravo, I'm sure a starving child is really proud of you. And military families are doing great. Can go and die for our country but can't even afford food: www.nbcnews.com/feature/in-plain-sight/hungry-heroes-25-percent-military-families-seek-food-aid-n180236 Again, who cares what box you claim to think outside of or even your imagined compassion, the proof is in the pudding. I'm enjoying the American dream, you're not. But be happy with the lot you chose. Animals have proven themselves far superior to you. They know how to improve themselves. Learn from them. Inflation has been with us for many a millennia. Learn to deal with it. And since we're in the richest nation on Earth, why do you wallow in poverty? You have the freedom to succeed, but also the freedom to fail. Seems you made the wrong choice. You don't have to stay there either. So, you state "Trump wants to starve kids and families of the poor..." You're an idiot. Instead of relying on NBC news, read the actual pay charts of what the military gets. BTW, your link doesn't work. From DFAS 2018 pay chart www.dfas.mil/militarymembers/payentitlements/military-pay-charts.htmlA basic recruit starts at $514.70/mo for the first 4 months. Sure this isn't much but what is this 18 yr old going to spend this large sum on? This equates to $18,176.40/yr. Definitely poverty level but he has no medical, dental, vision, prescriptions food, housing or clothing bills. How many civilian jobs pays for all that? Not bad for a recent HS grad with no skills. After 4 months, he's now making $1638.30/mo ($18660/y,r). He's still not rolling in the dough. But rank comes quickly for those that try. With less than 2 years he should be a PFC (E3) at $2052/mo ($24,624/yr). His base pay has edged out of the poverty level, but he still has no bills. By year 4 he should be a Sp4/corporal (E4) at $1490/mo ($29,880/yr). By year 5 (and after reenlistment with possible bonus) he should be an NCO, Sgt E5 at $2733/mo ($32,796/yr). Still not rolling in the dough, but he still has no bills. He’s 23 yrs old now. Say he gets married. He may live in government quarters (no rent or utilities) or live off post and get quarters and dependent allowance. Quarters allowance increases with rank. You can read the chart to see the gradual increase in basic pay. Using only this, our troop does suck pond water in the pay scales, but remember no other pays and allowances are mentioned. Should he deploy in a combat zone, he pays no income taxes. Officers fare better, but they must possess the quality degrees the military demands. Soldiers, like their civilian counterparts must live within their means. Those that don't face the same fate for living large. I am an 18 yr product of a military family. I also spent 24 years raising my own military family. I know a bit about this.
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Post by osha on Feb 23, 2018 23:14:42 GMT -7
I don't mention myself but only for comparison sake. You right wingers are whining I have a cellphone. I myself am and have been very happy with my life. And you bragging about your success while children are starving talking about my "imagined compassion". I think I will allow that to be case and point in this topic. Nice to have had this talk with you. And here's another link that works: www.military.com/daily-news/2017/05/24/proposed-food-stamp-cuts-would-hit-military-families.htmlEnjoy...
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 24, 2018 8:59:49 GMT -7
Yeah sure. It's bragging when you make some stupid claim only for me to destroy it.
Claim: "Back before the 80s a person could work an average job and support a household. Much better earlier of course but it was possible. Now if takes two..." Feb 20, 2018 at 3:20am My personal example refuted this.
Claim: "Okay, so you went through college when it was much cheaper " Feb 20, 2018 at 2:54pm Like hell. Top cook wage at $1.55 means nothing is cheap.
Claim: "There is no cheap college..." Feb 20, 2018 at 2:54pm Then why do 1/3 of the nation's males have a degree as of 2016?
Claim: "...and there are no good jobs..." Feb 20, 2018 at 2:54pm Demonstrated that both the military and OSHA are constantly looking for new graduates. Mentioned the job boards too.
Claim: " (Boomers) graduated college on the cheap and got to choose from anything they wanted while kids today are shoehorned into higher prices and only have a few careers actually hiring. " Feb 21, 2018 at 4:34am See above
Claim: "...taxes on the working is up ..." Feb 21, 2018 at 7:54am Showed taxes actually dropped from 22.1% in 1976 to 17.1% in 2012.
Claim: "In the 60s one worker could support a household and today it takes 2 ."Feb 21, 2018 at 11:39pm See above.
Claim: "But wouldn't we say that capitalism was a sort of experiment back at the time of the writing?" 2/23 am Capitalism predates our Constitution by some 200-300 yrs.
Claim: "Was inflation robbing people back in that time? " 2/23 am Inflation has been with us since coins were minted.
Claim: "Why should people have to pack up their life and leave family in order to find a decent job?" 2/23 am Demonstrated by the multiple moves I've made. Hoofie did too. Even animals will move to improve their situation.
Claim: "You worked all you life and got your job when WW2 ended and all those military men were coming home and using their money to start an economy. Now the men of the Iraq war are home and they have no money to start anything." 2/23 am No, I didn't work all my life and got my job when WW2 ended and all those military men were coming home and using their money to start an economy. I wasn't even born yet. Besides, I am one of the men from the Iraq wars who came home and am doing great with all the money I saved.
Claim: "I happen to care about the poor and elderly and disabled, so imagined in your boxed, small mind. " 2/23 pm This is a hoot!
Claim: "Why should poverty be such a big problem in the richest nation on earth?" 2/23 am Ever been to Panama, Mexico, Romania or Bosnia? I'll show you what real povert is.
Claim: "Trump wants to starve kids and families of the poor..." 2/23 pm You're still an idiot.
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Post by hoofie on Feb 24, 2018 13:45:49 GMT -7
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Post by osha on Feb 24, 2018 15:59:59 GMT -7
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Post by badman on Feb 24, 2018 18:43:16 GMT -7
osha, I've stopped and picked up many a hitchhiker in my 58 years. I don't recall ever slowing down for one sitting on his ass with his thumb stuck up.
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 24, 2018 19:16:43 GMT -7
Retailers will still sell food. What do you think is going into those boxes? And finally, the article doesn't support your claim. "Trump wants to starve kids and families of the poor..." 2/23 pm You're still an idiot.
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Post by osha on Feb 24, 2018 20:06:45 GMT -7
People in prisons will eat better then the people on the outsides. Trump wants to cut costs, do you think that means give the working poor more food? Really, honestly, with 100 percent curiosity.... How in the hell have you made it this far in life with all this ignorance you spew? Worthless garbage... Think, you have a brain and I am sure you might have the ability.
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Post by osha on Feb 24, 2018 20:07:35 GMT -7
osha, I've stopped and picked up many a hitchhiker in my 58 years. I don't recall ever slowing down for one sitting on his ass with his thumb stuck up. A large portion of the poor is working poor. They are not sitting around, they are trying to do what they need to do to survive.
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 24, 2018 20:14:50 GMT -7
You might want to consider making it a habit of actually reading what you reference before you use it as proof of your statement. "Back before the 80s a person could work an average job and support a household. Much better earlier of course but it was possible. Now if takes two..." The title of your reference is “America Has Become a Nation of Dual-Income Working Couples”, not “it takes two.” Had you read the article you would have stumbled upon this gem: “Today, that number has risen to 66 percent, more than twice the number of sole-earner married couples. This means that a large share of married couple tax returns have two incomes and thus are now clustered in the upper income groups facing the highest marginal tax rates.” 66% is a far cry from your statement that it takes two. 34% are sole breadwinners as am I! And of those 66%, how many have to have the dual income? If both make the median income, their household income of $120,000 is in the upper 10% in the nation. Not only does your reference not back you up, it proves you wrong as I did. Nice going there, Einstein. Looks like you may have smarted up a bit on this one and not post a reference. “The largest voting group in the USA does not support your tired old ideas. Oh wow, change is in the air... Oh how the times they change.” According to this April 2016 article the Boomers still had a 0.5% lead. Given that the article is 2 years old, the stats have narrowed, but not that much. But the question posed is “will they vote?” www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/05/16/millennials-match-baby-boomers-as-largest-generation-in-u-s-electorate-but-will-they-vote/Also from the article: “While the growth in the number of Millennials who are eligible to vote underscores the potential electoral clout of today’s young adults, Millennials remain far from the largest generational bloc of actual voters. It is one thing to be eligible to vote and another entirely to cast a ballot.” Ouch even!
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 24, 2018 20:17:30 GMT -7
People in prisons will eat better then the people on the outsides. Trump wants to cut costs, do you think that means give the working poor more food? It definitly doesn't say. "Trump wants to starve kids and families of the poor..." Keep trying.
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 24, 2018 20:40:32 GMT -7
The fact that capitalism predates anything is a moot point. Inflation was nowhere as high as it is today. You’re the one that made this false claim. "But wouldn't we say that capitalism was a sort of experiment back at the time of the writing?" And speaking of inflation, you should have done a little research before you wrote “Inflation was nowhere as high as it is today.” www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/2017 had a 2.1% increase as did January 2018. Nowhere as “high” as the 11.3%, 13.50% and 10.3% of the Carter years? How about the 3.2% under Obama?
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 24, 2018 20:48:02 GMT -7
I still care about people and that's a hoot to you. Oh well, I choose thinking and caring to try and solve problems and don't submit to old ideas that have brought us here. "I happen to care about the poor and elderly and disabled, so imagined in your boxed, small mind." Whether you care about the poor, elderly and disabled is upon your own conscience, but your statement is still a hoot.
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