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Post by ranger06 on Feb 23, 2018 14:56:38 GMT -7
The government failed the people when it backed away from real money and adopted monopoly money. Rome anyone? Sure, our Constitution does not have any provisions for helping the people. But wouldn't we say that capitalism was a sort of experiment back at the time of the writing? Was inflation robbing people back in that time? What about the rich? Were they near as rich as they are now? Instead of looking at things and basing those things off your own old success, why not put on some thinking glasses and look at the world as it is now? Suggesting people move. Why should people have to pack up their life and leave family in order to find a decent job? Do we as people make it our job to chase riches in order to make the rich even richer? Why is that my or your job? Why can't we gripe about wages not following inflation? The right wing likes to bark about how they made it in a time of more opportunity. How many media companies were around in the 1960s? Or how about oil companies? Or how about retail businesses? Even in my mid 40s , I remember many little ma and pa shops all over the place and now not so much because the rich is gobbling up everything. So we have become a world of haves and we are being reduced to a world of have nots. And move is the answer? Fill up all the cities and just shut down rural America? That's not my job. How much was insurance in 1960? And the magic one, what was the tax rate on the rich? Come on, anyone who has 2 brains cells to rub together can tell this country is falling apart and job are going with it. I even remember back in the late 80s and early 90s when new housing was going up everywhere. What happened? Why is this not the case today? Sure, you did it and people today are just cry baby liberals. How about we open our eyes and see that your very own grand kids might never know what it is like to own a home? Or a new vehicle and they probably won't live as long as you do. But hey, life is good right? You worked all you life and got your job when WW2 ended and all those military men were coming home and using their money to start an economy. Now the men of the Iraq war are home and they have no money to start anything. But we are doing great I tell ya just great. We should not get to live the American dream and find a home where we desire and live well, no instead we are reduced to having a job chasing jobs that more then likely pay crap anyways. And you ask if us people with compassion think at all? I would say yes we think, outside your box. Who cares what box you claim to think outside of or even your imagined compassion, the proof is in the pudding. I'm enjoying the American dream, you're not. But be happy with the lot you chose. Since you won't open your eyes as to what people do that are successful, look at nature. What do animals do when the food or water supply runs low? Do they sit around on their lazy butts and cry, blame the government, blame earlier generations or gripe because they think others got it better? No, they move. If they think as you do, they die. What do animals do when there are too many predators? They move. Becoming something else's meal isn't part of their survival plan. What do animals do when mates are few? They move. The alternative is the loss of the species. And yes, animals do migrate. Why are you too good to do so? Capitalism wasn't new when the Constitution was written. It's been around since the 16th century (1500s) according to Karl Marx. The Constitution came around in the late 1780s. It was also in early Islam (700s). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CapitalismInflation has been with us since coins were first minted. Even China had it with paper money. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InflationNo, I didn't work all my life and got my job when WW2 ended and all those military men were coming home and using their money to start an economy. I wasn't even born yet. Besides, I am one of the men from the Iraq wars who came home and am doing great with all the money I saved. So are a whole bunch of my buddies.
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 23, 2018 7:28:04 GMT -7
so what does the right wingers think we should be doing with all the mentally and physically disabled, elderly... Since I am pyhsically disabled and fast approaching elderly status, what do you left wingers think? Better question, do you think at all? BTW, capital letters that start sentences are your friends.
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 22, 2018 19:09:57 GMT -7
The intended purpose of government is to provide safety, education, and infrastructure for its citizens. We have the right to pursue happiness, not have it provided for us. Quite right. Our country gives you the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail.
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 22, 2018 19:07:43 GMT -7
Of course household incomes are higher and in some places individual incomes. In the 60s one worker could support a household and today it takes 2. Then we wonder why children who are not raised by parents shoot up schools left and right. This is this problem, people ignore the bigger issues. Wages have come nowhere close to following inflation and the right goes on about finding this job or that. Do you believe that if people walked off these low wage jobs that are everywhere the world would be better? Nobody working in retail, nobody working in fast food, nobody working at your local gas station, nobody working at your hotels, nobody working in daycares... The fact of the matter is there are much more low wage jobs and these jobs need to be filled. And this country is creating more of these jobs on the backs of the poor and to the benefit of the rich and investors. Job market? www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/04/econ-j04.htmlwww.mybudget360.com/part-time-work-us-canada-japan-part-time-employment/And what about the people who left the job market these employment statistics ignore?: www.epi.org/publication/missing-workers/Gave up because of weak low wage jobs. We have a surplus of college grads and a surplus of low wage and part time jobs. And we have the highest school loan debt in history. These college graduates are sleeping on a friends couch and flipping burgers and defaulting on their loans because there is no way to make a virtual house payment for 15 years and support yourself on crap wages. I don't buy into statistics because there are motivations for people to shift people into belief. Believe in that green paper you have that is worth no more then the paper it is printed on because things are going really good, we promise. And somehow the boomers forget how nice that home cooked family meal was every night while dad was working and mom was tending house and dinner. Wages be damned, that's a pipe dream for far to many people today. Really? I've already posted that I've been the sole breadwinner in my family. My kids have never darken a daycare's doorway as my wife and I trust the raising of our kids to no one. This also saved us big bucks in not supporting a daycare operation, not to mention the constant new clothes for die Frau. I know a bunch of folks working in retail, in fast food, the local gas station, hotels, (but none in daycare) and they are happy to work there. They know if they don't like it they can work elsewhere. At one time I worked those jobs too. I also work with the Hispanic community in my church and they would be more than happy to work at these jobs. The art of living within their means has not been lost on them. "We have a surplus of college grads and a surplus of low wage and part time jobs". I invite you to take a gander at some of the job boards and job search services like Zip Recruiter. There are tons of jobs searching for college grads, but not in the dummy majors area. No mercy on those deadbeat college grads. They failed at the simple task of getting a degree that was in demand in the market place. Would you by an expensive car that you knew to be a lemon? Also, they lived beyond their means by becoming heavily in debt. Would you living in poverty buy a $600,000 house? The dummies should have worked their way through school. So you don't buy into statistics. Your loss. But I well remember the home cooked family meals while I was working and die Frau was tending house. Of course, this didn't happen all that often as I was doing mundane things like being overseas in a combat zone while others like you were safe at home.
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 21, 2018 11:15:51 GMT -7
Taxes is the whole gamut. The taxes on Americans is higher when we calculate all outgoing monies. But that is not that important. College is of course a risk, but it is much higher today then ever. More college graduates are working crap jobs because the job market is not growing. If anything, the job market is shrinking and there are more crap jobs and not enough good jobs. Of course the taxes are higher when you calculate all outgoing monies, but your claim was ""taxes on the working is up". Up from what? Not so for federal income taxes. The $50K I quoted was pretty close to the median taxable income for 2012 and there was a 5% federal income tax drop. All the other taxes would depend on where you're living. Here in Alabama my military retirement isn't state taxed, nor will my teacher's retirement. My disability compensation has never been taxed at all. Obviously they're not up. College cost is higher but so are wages. Garbage in results in garbage out. There are a bunch of crap degrees. What do you expect to get upon graduation with a crap degree? Colleges are businesses that are dependent on the law of supply and demand. If the demand for their product is high, costs will rise. Several colleges have seen a good size drop in their freshman classes. They will have to figure out if the students just don't exist or their product is too expensive and lacks value. And the job market shrinking? Have you been paying attention to the unemployment rate these past many months?
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 21, 2018 7:43:32 GMT -7
It's very easy for a generation who had it all to look at another generation and think much less of them. So why are you looking at the boomers and thinking less of them? College has always been a risk. Nothing guaranteed you a job, much less a career after graduation. You might want to poll older college grads you know to see if their career is anywhere near their college major. Now to your "taxes on the working is up" claim. Here is an interesting interactive chart where you can enter your 2012 taxable income and see what its equivalence was back then and its tax rate. qz.com/74271/income-tax-rates-since-1913/ My taxable income in 2012 was about $50,000 and was about the equivalent of $12,400 in '76, the year I graduated. It's considerably higher than what I was making and at 22.1% taxed. In 2012 that same $50,000 is taxed at 17.1%. Your claim doesn't hold up. $12,400 taxed at 22.1% is hardly an increase compared to $50,000 taxed at 17.1%.
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 21, 2018 2:56:46 GMT -7
Interesting. Back in the 70's I was single, supported myself and put myself through undergrad school. In the early 80's I married and was sole supporter of 3. In the 90's I was married, the sole supporter of 4, one being mentally handicaped and put myself through grad school. In the 2000's I was married and the sole supporter of 4, one being mentally handicaped and put 2 through undergrad and one through grad school. In the 2010's I was married, sole supporter of 4, one being mentally handicaped and put another through grad school. In the 2020's hopefully She Who Must Be Obeyed and me will be enjoying retirement, and I'll still be the sole supporter. Tell me again what was easier. Okay, so you went through college when it was much cheaper and landed a good job. And when back to school when you had this good job and cheap education from yesteryear and think kids today have the same opportunities? Sorry, but the older people of today are living in lala land. There is no cheap college and there are no good jobs because very few are being created and the people who have them they hold on to them. No, this generation has a far better rate of college grads, but to get this opportunity they still have to get off their pampered butts and work for it. College was cheaper in my day, but so was my $1.55/hr as top cook. I started as dishwasher at $0.95/hr. I worked through college, both undergrad and graduate school. Being less expensive hardy makes it affordable. In my year group, 18.6% of the males had a 4 year degree. In 2016 it was 33.3%. www.statista.com/statistics/184272/educational-attainment-of-college-diploma-or-higher-by-gender/ If education was so “cheap”, why did so few obtain it. Today this "too epensive" education is being obtained at twice the rate as in my day. The reason is affordability. No good jobs! Says who? I started at $690/month ($2760) as a graduate. Graduates now in my field command $60-$80,000/yr. Even a brand-spanking new 22 yr old 2LT in the Army makes over $36,000 (not including benefits like no dental/health care or housing costs and gets a food allowance). In 2 yrs that has gone to almost $42,000 (again, no dental/health care or housing costs and gets a food allowance). And 2 yrs later as a captain, this same new 26 yr old graduate makes almost $65,000 (again, no dental/health care or housing costs and gets a food allowance). In only 4 yrs this dude is at the median income. Don’t like the military? Go see your moniker namesake. A CSHO in OSHA starts as a GS- 9 ($44-$57K) or GS-11 ($53-$70 K). No good jobs being created? These two I mentioned are constantly advertising for new people. I’ve had friends ask me to help in their job hunt. Two weeks to the job offer is normal. I’ve had HR folks complain that they can’t find qualified people. You want to go to college? Earn it. If you have to work full time like my wife did and it takes 9 years, so be it. It took me 5 years working part time. You want a good paying job? Don’t get a worthless degree. This requires initiative, hard work. Staying home and crying because you think previous generations had it better only leaves you stuck in your own misery. Hell, my parents had the Great Depression, WWII, Korea, Vietnam and the Cold War. My generation had Vietnam, the Cold War, the Gulf Wars, Afghanistan and a hand full of recessions. You got it easy.
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 20, 2018 7:22:02 GMT -7
Back before the 80s a person could work an average job and support a household. Much better earlier of course but it was possible. Now if takes two... Interesting. Back in the 70's I was single, supported myself and put myself through undergrad school. In the early 80's I married and was sole supporter of 3. In the 90's I was married, the sole supporter of 4, one being mentally handicaped and put myself through grad school. In the 2000's I was married and the sole supporter of 4, one being mentally handicaped and put 2 through undergrad and one through grad school. In the 2010's I was married, sole supporter of 4, one being mentally handicaped and put another through grad school. In the 2020's hopefully She Who Must Be Obeyed and me will be enjoying retirement, and I'll still be the sole supporter. Tell me again what was easier.
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Post by ranger06 on Feb 17, 2018 20:58:31 GMT -7
That option is already available in civil court in a wrongful death suit. "In 1994, Simpson was arrested and charged with the murders of his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman. He was acquitted by a jury after a lengthy and internationally publicized trial. The families of the victims subsequently filed a civil suit against him, and in 1997 a civil court awarded a $33.5 million judgment against Simpson for the victims' wrongful deaths." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson$33.5 million, even after the lawyers take their lion's share, is a massive chunk 'o change. BTW, do write in sentences. Your arguments would be much more understandable.
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Post by ranger06 on Dec 24, 2017 15:47:50 GMT -7
Yes it is. Merry Christmas Ranger. Back at ya, Hoofie!
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Post by ranger06 on Dec 24, 2017 14:18:01 GMT -7
Reality check.
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Post by ranger06 on Dec 22, 2017 9:43:14 GMT -7
If I had I'd be in jail for disturbing the peace.
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Post by ranger06 on Dec 21, 2017 11:55:25 GMT -7
I had to sing the whole song before I got it. You'll go down in history.
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Post by ranger06 on Dec 19, 2017 21:52:44 GMT -7
And let me guess, you are close to sixty and grew up in a booming economy and had job opportunities as far as the eye could see? And you are even perhaps a baby boomer? And this might even pertain to Hoofie as well. Your very own "poor baby" crap is the result of the Republican idea that "I did and so can everyone else". You did it in a much cheaper world, you done it in a world that had endless opportunists, you did it in a world where the land of opportunity was real and you did it in a time where the taxes on the rich was much higher and people were able to see the top of the economic ladder. So my reply? The older generations are dwindling little by little every single year. This means that you will be replaced by people who have to live in this reality today. At that time we will see fixes because the people of today understand the issues while the boomers have wet dreams about the 60s. The future looks bright. I've lived the American dream - and it wasn't from fear of moving or taking risks. Crying won't help anybody. Maybe with a bit more maturity you will realize this. Yes, "I did and so can everyone else" as did the other 7 sibs of my lower class family. Four of them are flaming Democrats. All have at least a bachelor's degree, two of those have master's, one a J.D., one a PhD, and one a ParmD. Not bad showing for those born just above the poverty level. My wife, from a poor small farm in Pickens Co, has her masters. She's the only one of her generation or the one before to go to collage. My children have opportunities not even dreamed about in my generation, but they also have the same freedom their parents had to squander them. Yes, you poor baby, until you get off your lazy butt you'll stay in that life you've earned but complain bitterly about. "When you make your bed, you must lie in it."
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Post by ranger06 on Dec 19, 2017 18:19:22 GMT -7
Ah gee whiz. Poor ol' Joe doesn't want to take the risk to move and better his situation. Poor baby.
In my minority I moved every one to two years, three times overseas. Only once I was in a place for three years! In 12 years of primary education, I was in 9 schools, 10 if kindergarten is counted. I also did a bit of research to ensure I majored with a money making degree, and guaranteed it in the Army. Of 12 years active duty I moved 8 times - twice overseas. Of 12 years in the reserve components I made 10 deployments - one to a combat zone. Move to better my situation is the name of the game.
Also, speaking of taxes, Joe should have got off his lazy butt and done a bit of research. My military retirement is not state taxed in Alabama. There are a bunch of states that don't either. When I finally retire from the university, that teacher's retirement pension is state exempt also.
Mine is an easy story. Hoofie took the big risks of a businessman. Apparently his investments are panning out. BTW, he moved recently to another state to better his situation. Not all that long ago my dad's Scottish ancestors left the mother country rather than being hung, drawn and quartered by the British after one of the Jacobite revolts. My mother's Irish side left rather than starve during the potato famine. Both were too poor to move and take risks knowing those risks might not pay off. Failure meant death.
Cry me a river!
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