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Post by osha on May 10, 2017 15:15:05 GMT -7
It's simply a power grab.
Remove the truth to allow the party to prevail. If Trump is found guilty of anything, it inserts drama into the party. By ignoring the issue it will eventually blow over.
So corruption wins and the people lose. Welcome to US politics.
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Post by osha on May 10, 2017 5:46:18 GMT -7
He painted with a very broad brush, but the message come through. Look at the statistics of single parent families from 1960s to today. The 'war on poverty' as declared by President Johnson has done nothing but create a poor, dependent culture of unwed mothers. Remember the quote attributed to Johnson: ...."I'll have those n***s voting Democrat ............". Look past Detroit, to other Democrat controlled cities: New Orleans, Chicago, Baltimore. Connect the dots. Some on the left claim they want to help others. What they mean is help to others with someone else's money, namely, the government. The best jobs to create, in their minds, are government jobs, because they do good by helping others with tax dollars and giving someone else a government job that is unlikely to end. So now, as a result of the war on poverty, the poverty level is still about the same, but the number of single parent families has more than tripled, and, there are over 70 federal programs to help the poor. Why is this, you ask? The incentive, in the form of more assistance ($$$$), is to be a single parent household. In essence, by removing the fish from the water you think you save it from drowning. I agree with you. But: The government is going to steal money from you anyways (I believe tax is theft). So if they are going to take money from all people, why should that money not go to help people? It's like my home, I tell my wife all the time, if I miss paying taxes the real owners will come and get it. Since we cannot escape government theft, then I live by the idea of that stolen money going to help the people. And we do have women in this country who make a career out of popping out kids. I think something should be done about that. Unmarried and keep having kids? Mandated tubes tied or something. I have no respect for women who do that and strap men with financial responsibility while they themselves drink or do drugs and let the kids just run free. That makes me sick.
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Post by osha on May 9, 2017 17:02:07 GMT -7
Trump is scared of everyone except his puppets. There has been more firings since he has been in office then I ever remember from any president.
He is a walking, talking, conflict of interest.
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Post by osha on May 9, 2017 15:38:38 GMT -7
I of course agree that when Democrats control places, they can destroy the place. Detroit Michigan is a great example.
But I would not kick 24 million people off insurance because of Detroit.
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Post by osha on May 9, 2017 15:18:07 GMT -7
Who is dishing out "smears"?
Stand by your convictions and take from those what is the good and bad. If as a group, your voting to hurt others, I will react as such and to me, that is on topic. I have to live in this world just like everyone else. And if as a group you get together and make choices that effect me, I have every right to oppose to those choices.
Life is a topic all in itself.
And spell check, meh. When someone complains about spelling, I see it as weakness and the complainer usually being on the losing side of the argument. Meh, my perceptive.
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Post by osha on May 9, 2017 15:07:55 GMT -7
I have responded to your post with respect and what I see as truth.
I am closing this thread. If you have a problem with the way a moderator moderates on this forum, contact John Doe and talk to him, he runs the forums.
I am closing this thread. I closed the last one for the same reason I am closing this one, the discussion is over and I said as such. Trying to continue this to incite a response is trolling and you are doing it really hard.
I can ban you if you like? Keep up this nonsense and I will simply ban you and it will be like you asking for it.
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Post by osha on May 9, 2017 14:40:57 GMT -7
I type most replies on my phone and spell check does strange things sometimes, meh. Making fun of spelling is childish in my mind anyhow.
I showed your flaw in thinking. You criticizing me for caring about people. Does that say anything to you?
Anyways, I'm done with this with you. I proved my point and I'm sure most people here wouldn't hate on me for caring about people. That's only you here.
Good day.
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Post by osha on May 9, 2017 14:31:22 GMT -7
I deleted your post because name calling is not allowed on this forum. I accused you of being a Christian and did not call you any names. In your post you called me liberal moron and I suggest you read the rules and learn how to act on this forum. Try to incite a response is called trolling and that is what you did above and in the post I deleted.
Thread closed
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Post by osha on May 9, 2017 14:00:51 GMT -7
That's fine with me. But I will be vocal about someone who is supposed to care about people doing the opposite. Carry on... So, you yell at your reflection in the mirror? Now your trolling. This discussion is over. You said your piece and I said mine. Continue and I will just close the thread. Good day.
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Post by osha on May 9, 2017 12:27:10 GMT -7
Can't we disagree without being disagreeable?
That's fine with me. But I will be vocal about someone who is supposed to care about people doing the opposite. Carry on...
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Post by osha on May 9, 2017 11:00:26 GMT -7
Do you see Bible quotes in my post above? I am a Christian, but I'm going debate you with facts. I've found that is all it takes to defeat a liberal. Not hardly, but I wouldn't expect a liberal to understand Scripture. Show me where it says to create a government to give other people's money to the neighbor. "Love" doens't mean "hand over the wallet"...that's pretty shallow thinking, even for a "centrist". Did YOU notice that premiums continued to rise AFTER the "mandate"? Which means that you and your fellow leftists are causing more problems. You ask what Christians are doing...they help people OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS, rather than steal it from others like the left does. Once again, do you see me quoting Scripture above? Yet, you feel the need to attack my religion for somehow not doing enough good, while praising a government that has screwed everything up. While I know what you meant, your sentence above is poorly written. No, I don't think innocent people killed become radicalized since they are dead. No, "delusional" is thinking that the radicalization comes as a result of the actions of the U.S. military....radicalization comes from the tenets of Islam. Look at how the Europeans have been rewarded for their loose immigration rules. How America's defense of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia were rewarded in Sept. 2001. Fairy dust? Sorry, "fairies" tend to be Democrats. When you debate me, you lose. Period. Memorize that as your new rule of thumb. "Invisible man in the sky"? Still claiming not to be an atheist? Yeah, right. The fact is that liberals are immoral and intolerant and are devoid of any "moral compass". Look at him digress, folks. Again, did I post any Scripture? Did I say that my religion is the only source of my opposition to abortion? No, you took that foolish flying leap into a pile of assumptions. And you never answered the question. Do you support and defend the slaughter of unborn children using the despicable and evil process called abortion? Science and fact tell us that a human life is extinguished during an abortion; my Christianity tells me that every soul is precious and must be guarded against those who would destroy it. "My brand"? People hate that "brand" because it is moral, decent and based on the facts, unlike the anything goes filth that the left stands for. A "centrist" The bible does not tell you to give anyone money (except the church of course). But the bible also tells you to love your neighbor. Now, I would assume you love your wife. Would you kick your wife and children off health insurance out of love? Would you take away their food out of love (food stamps). Would you look at your grandmother and lower her income out of love? Let's not be partial here, love is love and it's all the same really. I wouldn't expect a Christian Conservative to understand that. Did you notice that premiums were rising before the mandate? And if your neighbor couldn't afford insurance, they were also stealing money out of your pocket. As I said, the ACA was nowhere near perfect, fix it. It did give 24 million people insurance which couldn't afford before. Not like the word "continued" matters much, it will continue to rise after the ACA leaves. Tit for tat. You know exactly what I meant about radicalization. And oddly, you use religion as an excuse to paint a picture of someone who is not in your group. If the Russian military came to the USA and killed people, do you not think that families of the killed would hate Russia? Do you not think a father losing his family due to an attack on his family from Russia would want revenge? Do you not think that father might go to Russia to act out his revenge? If you believe that a family could be killed and not create a radicalized family member, you are delusional. And of course, I don't expect a Christian Conservative to understand that. If your group is not following the teachings of your religion, they are possibly following faeries in the sky. YEP. Your not following your religion making it harder for others. That's a fact. Starve your own family and let your own family get sick without treatment. Don't lower the bar on what should work for others, practice what you promote. Liberals believe in universal health care. Liberals believe no one should be homeless. Liberals believe everyone should eat. Liberals believe that your crap should not be shoved on society. I believe their moral compass is way better then you own while your vote kicks people off insurance, your vote could cut benefits for people who need to eat, your vote created an executive order that gives your religion more say. Like we need that. Look at me care about people folks. While the clown above defends his religion while at the same time voting in people that want to make life harder for seniors, make life harder for people who can't afford insurance and wants to create orphaned kids who will grow up with mental problems and possibly starve people. And those children grow into adults living off the government nipple. Short sighted he is indeed. You are proving that your brand is morally bankrupt. Your brand has a book that teaches morals indeed, it's just to bad that your brand does not practice what it learns. And for the record, his brand is not simply Christian. His brand instead is Christian Conservative which goes against many of the things in his book of teachings. I joined a Christian forum one time to ask about Christian Conservatives. The answer was the best, I was told that a Christian Conservative is a complete oxymoron. And there it is. Centrist, own guns and believes completely in your right to believe what you want to believe. I support you going to church on Sundays and bravo, do what makes you feel good. What I don't support is you using your beliefs to make life harder for other people. But again, that's a concept I don't expect a Christian Conservative to understand.
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Post by osha on May 9, 2017 8:17:04 GMT -7
Your supposed "truth" is very subjective and slanted now isn't it? You claim Christianity and you claim to be conservative and that's like many of you folks. So, let's seek some truth shall we based on what are your supposed beliefs. Doesn't your God teach you to love your neighbor? Then tell me Mr. Truth, how are you loving you neighbor if using your vote to kick that person off insurance? How are you loving your neighbor when you use your vote to vote in people who would gut social security for the elderly and disabled? Tell me Mr. Truth, how are you loving your neighbor when people flee to this country to escape death and you vote in people who want to push those people away? Tell me Mr. Truth, how are you loving your neighbor when you vote for a larger military so they can go around the world, kill innocent people and create terrorists? Not to mention Mr. Truth, Thou shall not kill. Supporting those who kill does not erase your liability there Mr. Truth. Hypocrite! Interesting, liberals are more likely to support things that are more along the lines of the bible. So this to me at least means, your moral compass is corrupt and you and your brand that is nothing but hypocrites doing the work of the devil. How lost you are Mr. Truth. Maybe you should drop both the truth bit and the christian bit, because you are doing them both wrong. Liberals don't just have corrupt moral compasses; in my opinion, they have no moral compasses at all. I've found that leftists almost universally hate Christians and hate the truth. As usual, I'll refute the tantrum above point by point with the truth: Love thy neighbor is an individual mandate to Christians, not a government license to steal from and subjugate its citizens. But theft and tyrannical power is what the left is all about, right? 'Kicked off insurance"? Did you notice that those uninsured people somehow got care BEFORE Obamacare? While the leftists are peddling their socialist wealth redistribution boondoggles, Christians have always cared for the sick and indigent without a government mandate. The conservative point is that no one should be forced to buy insurance. 'Gut Social Security'? Conservatives are trying to save it after decades of liberals burning through the SS surpluses. Imagine where Social Security would be if the greed of the Congress had been denied. All we want to do is let those who put money in to keep their own money and the interest that they earned, rather than suffer with the current bankrupt Ponzi scheme perpetuated by the left. 'Fleeing to escape death'? Tell me, what percentage of those who are pouring in actually meet that standard? And, conversely, how many come in seeking to kill Americans? No one is saying that we shouldn't help those in need (Christians always have), but with 50 Muslim majority countries around the world, help can be sent to a more suitable home for such refugees. Look at Europe to see the price paid for such liberal naivete. "Kill innocent people and create terrorists"? What garbage. You know as well as I do that this neither describes the purpose or the results of the U.S. military. And not all Republicans, much less conservatives, support the neo-con globalist interventionism that you allude to. Conservatives support a strong military as a deterrent, not a tool for nation building. So far, you are 0-4. Is there any liberal talking point that you don't peddle? And finally, let's address the "thou shall not kill" item. Do YOU vote for people that celebrate and defend the slaughter of 2000 innocent unborn children EVERY DAY in this country? Now THAT truly is a liability. Call me "Mr. Truth" anytime because that is where I stand and where I'll stay. And here's the truth again: liberals hate the truth and hate Christians for that reason. Well, faith by very definition is: "strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof." Hence believing in something without proof is not truth, it's faith. Now, one can argue that it's indeed a personal truth and to that end I might agree, but universal truth it is not. Love they neighbor is a demand. And it means just that and is not open to interpretation. It means what it says and you and your group are guilty of using your votes to vote against the interest of your neighbor. That right there is the truth and that is not based on faith. Insurance: Have you noticed that premiums would rise before the mandate? You say Christians and I would say everyone, regardless of religion has seen their premiums rise. And why? Because the old system relied on those whom can pay, paying for those who can't. So how is this somehow your religion taking care of anything? Atheists, Christians, Muslims and people who believed in the ginger bread man all seen their premiums rise. So there is one you cannot claim. And let's not mention the homeless problem that your religion is not solving. www.forbes.com/sites/kotlikoff/2016/12/15/cutting-your-social-security-benefits-republican-style/#15dcededc283www.factcheck.org/2015/09/social-security-bunk-again/You really think that when innocent people are killed by the USA that they don't become radicalized? Wow, delusional you truly are. I'm 0-4? In your world of fairy dust and the invisible man in the sky that wrote a book for you and your kind to twist to fit your very own agenda. Brand problem for sure. I'm a Centrist and see the problems facing this nation. Not a Liberal by any means, but I believe for sure that their moral compass is much more sound then your very own. And I believe we can take that as fact. And as far as abortions, well, God never told you to save the world. As a matter of fact, the bible says this: Philippians 2:12 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Does it tell you to use voting to take over a woman's body at all does it? It doesn't tell you to use you "morals" to push beliefs on others does it? Doesn't it simply say for YOU to work out YOUR salvation? Funny how you can vote to push your beliefs on humanity and wonder why people hate your brand. That's funny.
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Post by osha on May 9, 2017 7:29:36 GMT -7
You can think you bring truth to the table and that is fine. That article already showed you the truth, but you can take comfort in a false group mentality. You belong to a big enough group to do that for sure. Your group can dictate the lives of others and that is fine and people shouldn't "attack" your religion when it's your religion and it's people that are making it harder for other people.
Want your religion left alone? Stop using it as a tool to effect the lives of others. As long as your religion effects me, I will attack it and not like it. Because I can and because your hypocrites. Just how it is.
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Post by osha on May 8, 2017 19:15:18 GMT -7
Kinda odd that someone who has read the Bible many times and proclaims to understand it would miss that. osha, I think you would be wise to not judge God by the actions of man. If anything harmful has ever happened to you in the name of God, I am truly sorry. I have no problem with people doing as they will. Live and let live. But, I am disabled and I never made the choice to be. My wife thanks to the expansion on Medicaid has insurance (ACA). I have a bunch of religious people who voted to kick my wife off insurance while going to their Sunday service and being hypocrites praising some invisible person somewhere. Because the God in the book they proclaim to worship would want these people to love my wife. But not, they put on their Sunday best and go sit in pews praising some God somewhere. They sure are not praising the God of love now are they? They are hypocrites! And if you come on the world wide web and proclaim to be something and yet you do not live by that something, you open yourself up to scrutiny. I had a church guy come here to "save me". I was nice to him but I told him about his brand problem. In the end, he agreed with me and left. People don't like the truth and either did he. But he should be working on saving his own kind because I'm sure not interested in what he was selling. I have guns and don't feel safer with a huge military using money that could help others. I don't feel good about a cancer patient that has to sell everything they own for treatment and leave their family nothing. I feel for the kid sleeping on some street somewhere tonight. And to top it off, I believe in a woman's right to make choices for themselves because that is freedom, hence I have to give up my freedoms. God has never done anything to me besides fill this world with a bunch of hypocrites I have to contend with and have to suffer because of their choices. I call it like I see it and that's how I am. I don't sugarcoat anything for anyone.
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Post by osha on May 8, 2017 17:21:49 GMT -7
Whoa man. The Bible also says the Lord helps them who help themselves. No, the Bible doesn't say that. Your right and I know that. I just ran with it lol.
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