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Post by osha on May 18, 2017 5:04:16 GMT -7
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Post by osha on May 17, 2017 19:06:28 GMT -7
I was talking to a republican friend the other day. Of course he is anti abortion. And although he may not use religious reasons as the basis for his views, I stopped him dead in his tracks and he was forced to agree with me.
So the right and Christians love to run around and dictate the lives of women. They would love nothing more then to force women to have children even if they were raped. After all, a rape is not the fault of the fetus.
Let me explain the hypocrisy in this.
Women never take abortion lightly. I have known some women whom have made the choice to do such a thing. And it always came with much thinking and many times with tears.
Now, the church and the right wants to force hardship on another human without taking any responsibility for the hardship they create. Sure, we can have the moral argument about how people enjoy spending their time "don't do something with an expected outcome you might not want", sure, I agree, but I have no right to force others to conform to my ideas.
Anyways, force children to be born into a world with a childcare system that is already overburdened. Many kids are being put into places because there is nowhere else to put them (I was one of those kids but that is another story). Then, the right would love to cut programs that support that family they just forced into creation. So, somehow your morals are okay with forcing hardship but taking no responsibility for the hardship you create.
You care about the fetus and have no care in the world for that fetus when it turns into an adult. And what about these kids who are juggled through the system from one unfortunate circumstance to another and next thing you know they grow into adults with mental issues and then you don't support taking care of them when they are adults, they are bums.
And believe me, I know because I am the child I am explaining and guess what? I am disabled and programs that help me are constantly being threatened. Did I choose to have a very screwed up life? Surely not, but somehow the right would like to punish me. This makes no sense.
Now, how is it right in any way to force a hardship on a would be parent and possibly on the child and claim no responsibility for what you as a party and church creates? Some Christian may very well come across this post and think "my church helps the poor", well bravo, but your church or every church in this nation could not solve childhood poverty. And you sure couldn't support all these people the system creates when then these people grow up into messed up adults.
I'm very lucky. I am bipolar but not in a way that makes me strange in any real way. As long as I keep my brain busy learning I keep myself in check. I am also socially awkward because I have severe trust issues and I don't do well with authority. At my last job I chased a man out the store because he called me an idiot, I blacked out and don't remember the event much. But I guess it was pretty bad. I am disabled and would nothing more then to be something that I am not but it is what it is.
This really gives me a unique perspective into this very issue. We either take responsibility as a nation for what we create, or we simply don't create it. As I have said, on a personal level I am very much against abortion. But on a logical level it sometimes simply beats the alternative. Freedom
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Post by osha on May 17, 2017 17:39:29 GMT -7
Google can be a good source of information here. I tried to make a post with links, but the internet failed here in my land.
Anyways, the GOP fueled by the church has historically supported cuts across the board for those who need help to funnel the money to the rich. Rob Peter to pay Paul type thing.
This is well documented. Doesn't seem like good little Christian stewardship to me.
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Post by osha on May 17, 2017 8:21:30 GMT -7
The quote didn't come though. I took nothing personal, I wanted to know the nature of your quote. Evangelicals largely support the right. That is proven as the right is always looking for their support. The right would like to gut programs that help others and that is also known. So the right wing ideology is propelled by the church since that is the rights group and largely who votes for the right. I am very, very, very much anti church. And the reason for this is Jesus believed very much in loving others. He also believed in taking care of our brothers and sisters. But the right uses their vote to hurt others. I get the idea of less government and such, but I would not wish for less to give the struggling less. I am centrist and I do want the government to leave me the heck alone but at the same time, I want people who suffer to get the help they need. And what snakebit was saying is right. The people vote against their interest all while the right would give huge tax breaks to the rich and cut programs that help the people that need them. So the church ideology of today is to take from those who need help and give to those who don't. In my mind that paints a clear picture of a hypocrite. I know not all Christians do this and I know they don't all vote like that. But to many do. And Christianity as a brand suffers for it. Sorry, when we claim a title we have to live with the title. If the title you carry largely hurts others then that title has an issue.
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Post by osha on May 17, 2017 6:58:18 GMT -7
What he is doing has never been done by any U.S. president. You're the only person I've run across who doesn't agree with that. Even the politicians of his own party say what he is doing is so different that they are having problems dealing with it. You're right about his failure to keep his mouth shut. But talking is not a problem, it's what he says. It betrays such an ignorance and such an immaturity that it's hard to believe it's actually happening at the highest level of government in this nation. Well, really, we have the Democrats to blame for this. If they would not have ignored the people and would not have crowned the worst candidate to be the front runner, we would be having a very different discussion. I was a Bernie Sanders supporter through and through. With my wallet and all. And now he is the most popular politician in the USA and the establishment is doing the same thing they did before. I guess losing to a loud mouth idiot taught the DNC and the establishment nothing. They will get the same as they did last time if they don't wake up. The party of irrelevance incoming....
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Post by osha on May 17, 2017 5:23:57 GMT -7
Where did this come from? Please explain, since I am a registered independent. I was agreeing with snakebit about evangelicals and welfare. Nothing was directed at you and sorry if that was a misunderstanding.
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Post by osha on May 16, 2017 19:08:02 GMT -7
Apparently, osha, you don't understand. The views of snakebit and yourself aren't of a level to really offend. Maybe humor is a better term. So I would be right if I understood thing like this? HAHAHA old geezers having SS reduced? HAHAHA poor bums kicked of insurance? HAHAHA less food for brats? I don't get where any of that is humor. And that is very much right wing ideology propelled by the church. Sorry, I don't buy into that idea. I would be willing to, any day of the week, any hour of the day, take my morals and compare them to the morally bankrupt church of today. I love others and care. Hard concept for the church I know, but again, true. And sorry, I am %1000 right and there is not a soul that can prove me wrong. Not to offend here again.
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Post by osha on May 16, 2017 15:26:16 GMT -7
Turns out the Snake is correct. We'll see if LA's $15/hour minimum wage sticks. With everything inflated it will probably inflate the cost of living as well. So explain how this helps the poor, which is your thread topic. California has some of the highest taxes in the country. Compare to Tennessee and North Carolina, which are also business friendly and growing, but with lower taxes. But again, the poor and disadvantaged: Have higher school drop out rates, why? No father figure in the home? Parents set bad example? They have a higher rate of unemployment: Well, with no high school diploma, strike one. Criminal record, strike 2. Poor life choices (facial tattoos & piercings, drug abuse), strike 3.The government can't fix this, as proven by over 75 failed programs to fight poverty. Looks like between you and entimos you have all the answers. What I don't understand is why states that lead in embracing religion and Republican politics also trail the rest of the nation in education and economic progress and lead in ignorance, poverty and bigotry. You deplore anti poverty programs while ignoring the fact that you would be living in third world society if it weren't for the huge transfer of federal funds from Blue states to Red. The people in these states are all welfare recipients, it's just that the welfare dollars go to your state governments rather than directly to you people. Seriously hoofie if you want to talk about North Carolinas economic success can we also talk about the hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars the state lost because of the rabid anti LGBT bigotry and ignorance of the Evangelical community and Republican politicians in the state? Yuppers Cletus, Republicans and xian religion are the answer no matter what the question. I had a post and my internet went down. Grrrr Anyways, I agree with you. There is a lot of dumb, religious people in this area. Man goes into the doctor using the expanded medical under the ACA. He complains about the ACA and the doctor has to explain to him he would not have insurance if it wasn't for the democrats. People here simply vote with the church. The hypocrites that vote to kick other people off programs they need. To all that offends, sorry, that's true.
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Post by osha on May 15, 2017 21:05:43 GMT -7
www.thisappalachialife.com/single-post/2017/05/10/My-Mother-Wasnt-TrashWhat a heart warming story and sad. One of the best writeups about a mother I have ever seen. And really, this hits me to the core. As a person who grew up with a childhood I would never wish on a soul, I wonder if people are capable of unconditional love. And when I say this, I mean love for others. We are taught at a young age to play fair. To give everyone the benefit of the doubt and to never make fun of those whom are less fortunate and to never brag about what we have compared to others. We learn morals, with no political agenda tied to these morals but morals from a perspective of we are all equal. Why is it in politics we go against everything we are taught when we are kids? Why is the word fair all the sudden some word that represents something from an age gone by? Why do we want the bigger house or the better car or the bigger checking account so we can be better then everyone else while not understanding the pains of others? Why can't we care about those around us and want the best for everyone as we were taught when we were kids? I think political ideology is one of those things that crushes our being to the core. We can believe something is wrong, take abortion for instance. I am very much against abortion on a personal level but feel I have no right to force my beliefs on others. I would not vote in a way to support the way I feel about abortion while at the same time kicking people off medical, taking food out of a childs mouth, telling older people to live on less, growing the military when we already spend more then the next 3 nations combined and so on. Why is it that we have to sacrifice so much to achieve so little? Why can we not have compassion for those whom need the compassion? That's always been my issue to the core. I am centrist and I live with the live and let live ideology. I don't believe in kicking those who are down and I live a very modest life. Yes, the wages of my household goes a long way in dictating my lifestyle, but I don't think the core of who I am as a person can ever be destroyed. I love people and care deeply for people. Because I am people and the struggles of other people are my struggles. And I believe this with all my heart. Let's all try to remember what our parents taught us. Be fair.... Because if we are not being fair, we are serving dis justice to someone whom might not deserve such. And we are making our own lives much harder by not living the burdens that our fellow brothers and sisters suffer. Love all regardless of who you are. This is the way forward and this is the way we solve many problems.
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Post by osha on May 14, 2017 21:41:52 GMT -7
I kind of see things in a different way.
Yes, we have a sketchy past and it is just that, a past. Trying to erase the past does not undo the things that were done in the past.
We are always going to have people who feel their race is supreme and this can go be added to the ever growing list of things that separate us and contributes to what is the sickness of this country.
Whites hate blacks Blacks hate whites Christians hate Muslims Muslims hate Christians Rich hate the poor Poor hate the rich
This list can continue. We can even talk about generations hating other generations. For instance, I hold a certain amount of blame towards the Baby Boomers for where we are today. I wouldn't say I hate the Baby Boomers, but I do believe many are out of touch coming from a generation of endless opportunity and then believing that the Millennials share in the same opportunities as themselves, when that's just not true. And I was raised by a Baby Boomer.
I don't believe hiding things fixes hate in any way, it will remain. I believe even in some ways, we don't want to solve hate. I live in the South now but I came from the far North (up around Cleveland, Ohio). I seen growing up the race card being played many times. Not just by one race, even others. When your the minority in one area, you could even see whites wondering if a certain action was taken because they were white.
If we lose those special cards we can play, we never get over a sense of entitlement due to the special card.
It's even like many Christians. When you get into a conversation about Muslims with a Christian, it can easily turn into "Muslims are savages and they should all die". And this comes from the comfort they enjoy in their "group" and the backing of this "group" gives them the ability to feel safe in saying such things because a part of this "group" feels the same way as the person who said such a thing.
Even in a discussion I had on this forum I was accused of being an Atheist when nothing could be further from the truth. I believe very much in God, but I don't view God the way that any "group" views God. I feel if there are over 1000 religions in the world and they all try to explain God, none of them understands God. If we all had 1000 ways to explain a tree, we would come to the conclusion there is a good chance people do not understand the tree. I view religion like this. Over 1000 different ways to explain God and all those "groups" feel like they are right and all others are wrong. Only one can be right..... We are to stupid as a species to understand God. That's how I feel.
The moral of all this is, we need to work on hate at our core and that is something I believe is a much tougher endeavor.
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Post by osha on May 13, 2017 1:38:35 GMT -7
This guy could not say it any better. I agree with him 100 percent. And we want to talk about morals? Health care should be a right!
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Post by osha on May 12, 2017 15:26:14 GMT -7
While I'm an advocate of tax cuts, I believe that the structure should be in place to let individuals take responsibility for their own retirement and health care before such draconian cuts are made. Give us things like pre tax health savings accounts that we would use for minor medical needs, with catastrophic care insurance for the big health issues . Eliminate taxes on 401 (k) accounts for those who would opt out of Social Security. That January story doesn't seem to match the administration's April proposal; might it have been a negotiating tactic rather than a serious proposal? The only problem with your proposal is this: money.cnn.com/2017/01/12/pf/americans-lack-of-savings/That would make it impossible to cover a health emergency. I am an advocate for universal health care and many Americans feel that same way. The reason is, medications and treatments for things are outrageous. If we gave the people now who pay a ton for insurance all that money back into their pocket that money instead would be pumped back into the economy. Not to even mention, all the major countries on earth offer the same thing I advocate for. Our health care system is inefficient and way to expensive. We pay more then any nation on earth and yet rank 37th for it: thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/If we are going to spend so much and put lives on the line with our care, the system is failing.
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Post by osha on May 11, 2017 20:58:58 GMT -7
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Post by osha on May 11, 2017 18:14:08 GMT -7
And, per what I have said before.
Largely supported by Christian Conservatives.
So we can make it harder for everyone else. Loving our brothers and sisters we are haha. Not funny of course, but it is contrary to teachings.
If I'm guilty of lying, let me know because I am not. And we can say "not with my taxes" or "those bums my tax dollars support". But the truth of the matter is, income disparity has caused a huge mess and most Americans have no savings. This of course ignores the poor while helping the rich (greed).
What a nation of love we are not!
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Post by osha on May 11, 2017 16:02:08 GMT -7
As much as I am not a Trump supporter, I in no way whatsoever want Pence to be POTUS.
He would destroy a lot of stuff with the backing of the GOP because he himself would have connections.
As bad as Trump might be, Pence would be much, much worse.
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