|
Post by osha on Jun 18, 2017 10:55:30 GMT -7
America
|
|
|
Post by osha on Jun 16, 2017 15:32:14 GMT -7
We could do many things to save money.
Social Security for instance is very expensive because we have offices everywhere and those offices have employees and those employees likely make nothing close to low wages.
Close down the buildings and cetralize everything into a call center. Courts are already established that guage eligability for disabilty and such. Make those courts also responsible for loacal affairs.
We just saved a lot of money right there.
Medical and food stamps. Instead of having hundreds of offices throughout the country, close them down. We have the technology and we can do everything from a centralized call center and we could send what needs sending. We could even have people who work in baby wards in hospitals to guage for assistance needed.
We just saved a lot of money right there.
I am guilty of always comparing my home budget to the government budget. I am always told there is a big difference. Really, there isn't. If I go and buy a new car, I have to give up something to pay for the car. Maybe it is simply food or maybe it is something else. But the problem is, our government does something that costs money but gets rid of the wrong thing. Trump, for instance, wants to spend more on military, but he wants to take a pay cut in the form of tax cuts on the rich. How does that work? You can't take a huge cut in income and turn around and buy a new pickup truck. It makes no sense and this is the fantasy that makes us bicker back and forth.
Costs are out of control and I have 5000 employees. How do I cut costs? I look at where I spend the most money. Now let's say in this instance labor costs me more then anything else by a large margin. I have to figure out how to cut labor and still keep production on track. I could automate some things and lower costs by then saving on labor. The government can do this.
The government instead sees the cost. Instead of automating things (call center), they go after the workers and want the workers to live on less. This doesn't make any sense at all. We can pay more and hope it works out in the end? Nonesense!
|
|
|
Post by osha on Jun 15, 2017 12:10:37 GMT -7
Is it not common knowledge that less customers in any business means less demand which means less jobs?
It doesn't matter the source, this should be common knowledge.
|
|
|
Post by osha on Jun 13, 2017 8:17:56 GMT -7
I'm still trying to understand how osha knows what 9 out of 10 even thinks. I'm just awesome like that. lol Statistics don't lie. They are there for everyone to see.
|
|
|
Post by osha on Jun 9, 2017 8:27:22 GMT -7
No one is doubting that people show compassion. They do. What I am saying is that compassion alone is not going to solve the problems. Getting rid of programs only makes the problems worse. Further separating what compassion could not solve. Perhaps if more people, the ones not giving now, began giving of their time and money to charity, the problems would begin to see a decline. I cannot see raising taxes if $.70 of every $1 raised now is being wasted. Clearly, the money is already there; it simply needs to be utilized more efficiently by eliminating bureaucratic waste. In the meantime, any shortfalls could come from those not currently showing compassion with their own wallets. I would agree with this. I would even willing to give small amounts of money as I don't have much. Maybe something like a monthly go fund me drive could solve many of these problems, who knows. I'm the type of person who believes in the community coming together to solve problems. Like if you internet company is bad to people, start a community run internet company. But things like that will never happen as regulations prevent it. The greater good is never an option thanks to those making sure it isn't. I mean after all, who would want the little man cutting into the profits of the rich? Yhea, create monopolies and when people don't like choices they are forced into no choice. The local cable company is a great example.
|
|
|
Post by osha on Jun 9, 2017 6:44:55 GMT -7
I did say something about the charity. These cities don't want charity and they want the homeless to leave. I know this.
I keep saying that compassion has never solved homelessness and yet that gets ignored and it's true. I have also said that compassion will never house all the elderly, never feed all the poor, never feed the elderly, never provide medical for the poor and elderly and disabled. But that gets ignored.
You want people to save money for retirement. When 55% of the nation has less then $500 to cover an emergency, wages are stagnant, millennials are the first generation making less then their parents, as per the link I posted above, people would need to make over $22 an hour to live in many places and a minimum wage job can only support a apartment in five counties in this whole country. These are facts and yet they go ignored.
So, save money for retirement and screw the people who have paid into the system and were promised a result for the money they paid.
And yes, I do go on about Christians because they are supposed to care about others. And they are probably supposed to do it more then any other section of society. And yet what they do is come up with solutions that would not work in our current economy.
Another thing everyone seems to miss is something as simple as food stamps. Let's say our government cuts 10 billion dollars from the food stamp program. Now, that's 10 billion less dollars being pumped back into the economy. That would cost jobs. Even if the whole 10 billion did not directly effect the people. Even if it is only a portion, demand drops, profits drop and that is all a formula for lose of jobs.
And we are still ignoring the elephant in the room.
|
|
|
Post by osha on Jun 8, 2017 19:01:28 GMT -7
|
|
|
Post by osha on Jun 8, 2017 17:34:00 GMT -7
Here is the Social Welfare History Project they are archiving the history of these social programs and why we have them. it is a very good resource of the history of social welfare i have seen to date. all these programs have a reason and history behind them. they were created out of need for them. Thanks for the link. Full of information and bookmarked.
|
|
|
Post by osha on Jun 8, 2017 15:59:34 GMT -7
Yes, and many times I hit you back with a fact you ignore and I will judge you two by that if need be. Listen vey carefully: The homeless problem can NOT be solved by the compassion of others because it has not worked before, ever. The elderly and disabled cannot be supported by compassion because it has happened NEVER. Health of the elderly and poor and disabled will never be covered by compassion because it has NEVER been. In FACT on health, you pay more for those who can't pay in the old system. You ignore me while I say cut waste and keep the programs and that is the standard I am holding you to. We all know the teach a man to fish thing. Teach a cancer patient to die could be added to that list. Teach a child to starve could be added to that list. Teach a disabled person to die could be added to that list. Teach a person to starve could be added to that list. Right, good God loving people we have here. Listen even more carefully: FDR created the first large scale entitlement program in the U.S. What exactly do you think happened before 1932? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_programs_in_the_United_StatesAnd your "teach a _______ to die" meme is so nonsensical and inane that I must ponder the shallowness of your knowledge on this subject. Is that the "standard" that we need to hold you to? Well, your president wants to kick people off insurance. Do people die without insurance? You decide. I actually believe your logic is very flawed. You read a book that teaches you to love but you go on about hurting others in the name of teaching people to fish. I refuse to have this back and forth with you. This will be my last post to you directed to you in this thread. But one more time, for the hopful sake of understanding. Homeless people have always been a problem and there is no amount of compassion that will solve homelessness or even any of the problems we have had for a long time. Easy to understand I believe.
|
|
|
Post by osha on Jun 8, 2017 15:42:27 GMT -7
So, let me get this right.
Today in a world where costs are up and rising, college is at an all time high and more graduates are flipping burgers, jobs are shrinking, retail chains are closing doors, China is leading the world in manufacturing....
We want to look at people and say get off the government nipple? Think about this for a minute... The gas station needs an attendant, Walmart needs a cashier, daycares need to run, fast food joints need people and so on. What do these jobs have in common you may ask? They all pay low WAGES and they create government dependent workers. Well Osha, why can't they work 3 jobs? Well, the divorce rate would skyrocket and would end up with fatherless children who would depend on the system. Hogwash Osha, the father could pay support. But the father works a low wage job and don't have the money. Then what? We goes to prison or jail and lives off the system in another way.
See? The logic is flawed. Tell me again how these people get off the government nipple. Do you support a living wage? If so, bravo. Do you support help for the disabled and elderly? Do you support your greedy little taxes going to give children medical? Because by and large, there is a party that don't. And neither party is near perfect but at least one party understands the issues.
|
|
|
Post by osha on Jun 8, 2017 15:23:20 GMT -7
Yes, and many times I hit you back with a fact you ignore and I will judge you two by that if need be.
Listen vey carefully:
The homeless problem can NOT be solved by the compassion of others because it has not worked before, ever. The elderly and disabled cannot be supported by compassion because it has happened NEVER. Health of the elderly and poor and disabled will never be covered by compassion because it has NEVER been. In FACT on health, you pay more for those who can't pay in the old system.
You ignore me while I say cut waste and keep the programs and that is the standard I am holding you to.
We all know the teach a man to fish thing. Teach a cancer patient to die could be added to that list. Teach a child to starve could be added to that list. Teach a disabled person to die could be added to that list. Teach a person to starve could be added to that list.
Right, good God loving people we have here.
|
|
|
Post by osha on Jun 8, 2017 14:38:39 GMT -7
Some folks just can't see the forest because of all them dang trees keep getting in the way. Should I post my collection of my radar software? I even own a Davis weather station. Life long hobby and I have much knowledge about weather .
|
|
|
Post by osha on Jun 8, 2017 13:20:28 GMT -7
You told us you were from the South. You told us you were a Christian and you told us you were conservative. In a nutshell, you are a Southern Christian conservative. You said that and that is the standard you asked to be held to. Your supposed to care about others and I will hold you to that. Because you admitted that you belong to a group that is supposed to do as such. If I introduced myself to a forum as loving the theories of Carl Marx, I would image I would live with that during my whole time on the forum. People would want to debate those theories with me and my socialist views would surely spark people holding me to that and being against me since my views would not be popular at all. So yes, if you introduce yourself as something when you say hello to me, I hold that in mind. To not only be careful not to offend you (I probably would not swear in front of a Christian) and to hold your feet to the fire. If your saying your against something because you believe there is to much waste, then that is fine. When that thing helps people who may not be in your economic position, your not caring about other people. Sorry, that is how I feel. If you do not want to be held to a standard then be very careful about what expectations of a standard you ask to be associated with. Yes, I proudly proclaimed that I am Southern, Christian and conservative and still do. You and you alone jumped to the unfounded and therefore fictional conclusion that Southerners, Christians or conservatives somehow don't care about people if we oppose throwing more and more government confiscated money at those folks. That's just not true. I'll correct anyone, including you, that posts the false "you don't care" smear and demand that such nonsense be backed up with facts or dropped. How about this....if someone supports a corrupt, confiscatory system that keeps 70% of the money collected and only sends 30% to those in need, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that such a person doesn't really care about those poor people? And yet, unlike you, this Southern, Christian conservative made no such assumption about you. I gave no standard to judge me by. But, you did give that standard. I don't care how the government spends money when it comes to helping people. Waste I agree is an issue. But when you align with a religion that is supposed to help people including the poor and you are so caught up in what the government does bad with money instead of being caught up in how the government helps people, you, again, are not following what your religion teaches. If you support cutting programs you support throwing people under the bus. That is not caring about other people and you don't seem to understand that. Feel free and correct me. Because if I have to quote the bible to make a point I will. And that would be using your standard that you asked to be guaged by. And as I have said, cut waste and that's fine. What bothers me is this mentality that goes on about "not with my tax money". Like taxes are going to vanish and you are going to get "your" money back.
|
|
|
Post by osha on Jun 8, 2017 7:09:15 GMT -7
No one is doubting that people show compassion. They do.
What I am saying is that compassion alone is not going to solve the problems. Getting rid of programs only makes the problems worse. Further separating what compassion could not solve.
|
|
|
Post by osha on Jun 7, 2017 17:17:09 GMT -7
Of course cities don't want people helping the homeless. Cities don't want these places being hotspots for the homeless. So they discourage helping the homeless hoping that homeless people will leave. I understand the thinking, I just don't agree with the method.
But even still. Before that practice was widespread there were homeless people and starving people. So as I said, kindness cannot and has never solved all the problems. And kindness surely wouldn't support all the elderly and disabled in this nation. Not to even mention the Veterans. Sure, many groups including religious groups are able to claim random kindness. But as I said above, if random kindness is not solving all the problems, it's not working. And you folks complain about being forced to pay for others. Yhea, caring when you sit on your high horse complain about programs while your unable to fix the problems.
How about we try and find true solutions to the problems instead of yelling waste while only wanting to hurt others. Very easy to ignore the cheese line when you have your own cheese. When the day comes you need cheese you will pray for the cheese line you are against. Sad that compassion is not on the mind of these Christian folks. Greed, my tax dollars right? God should be so proud.
|
|