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Post by jiminix on May 9, 2017 16:42:18 GMT -7
Facts have a way of rising to the surface. As Comey's guilt in subverting the election becomes more and more exposed, Trump's panic is becoming apparent. Never has he acted so quickly to try to separate himself from someone. He kept Flynn around for weeks after revelations came to light, hoping the problem would go away. Now he acts against Comey within hours of Comey's story unraveling. Comey's story was always without credibility. He claimed that he had to publicize "new" Clinton emails found on Huma Abedin's computer 11 days before the election, otherwise it would have been concealment on his part. However, he was quite willing to conceal the FBI investigation that started in the summer into connections between Russia and the Trump campaign. We've known for a long time that those emails turned out to be nothing new - they were just Abedin's copy of the same emails that the FBI had seen on Clinton's computer. Now it emerges that Comey lied about the emails. I should look up the details, but I believe he claimed there were "tens of thousands" of them, when in fact they numbered only in the hundreds. He knew there was nothing there; he just wanted to derail the soaring Clinton campaign. It's possible that Comey's hand was forced - the FBI was overwhelmingly pro-Trump, and there may have been others in the FBI who told Comey that if he didn't go public about those Abedin emails, they themselves would leak it to the press, and then Comey would appear to have no control over his own organization. While Comey and the FBI were strongly anti-Clinton, Comey was not Trump's lackey - he had his own ambitions - I believe he was positioning himself to run for governor of New York. With Trump in office, and having very low public support, Comey could advance himself by pressing the investigation into the Trump campaign. That investigation also is making Trump very uncomfortable. So Trump can kill two birds with one stone. He can distance himself from Comey by firing him, and at the same time, put an end to the FBI investigation of the Trump campaign. Trump will put somebody at the head of the FBI who will be a total Trump puppet. The FBI will become an arm of the Republican Party. www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/us/politics/james-comey-fired-fbi.htmlwww.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/comey-misstated-key-clinton-email-evidence-at-hearing-say-people-close-to-investigation/2017/05/09/074c1c7e-34bd-11e7-b373-418f6849a004_story.html
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Post by jiminix on May 9, 2017 16:44:25 GMT -7
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Sorry, duplicate post.
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Post by osha on May 9, 2017 17:02:07 GMT -7
Trump is scared of everyone except his puppets. There has been more firings since he has been in office then I ever remember from any president.
He is a walking, talking, conflict of interest.
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Post by badman on May 9, 2017 19:06:39 GMT -7
Comey needed to be fired. I think Trump should have done that earlier.
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Post by hoofie on May 10, 2017 5:22:09 GMT -7
Trump most likely waited until the Deputy AG was put in place 2 weeks ago. Remember, Sessions re cussed himself from the Russian thing and has not had a deputy approved by the Senate.
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Post by jiminix on May 10, 2017 6:04:24 GMT -7
Comey needed to be fired. I think Trump should have done that earlier. Of course he should have been fired long ago. But Trump said not long ago that he had confidence in Comey. What it means is that Comey was not fired for what he did months ago during the campaign. He was fired for events happening right now. Two events in particular: (1) it's looking more and more likely that collusion between the FBI and Trump campaign officials will be exposed; and (2) the FBI investigation of the Trump/Russia connection keeps going forward, and getting closer and closer to Trump himself. As much as I dislike Trump, I don't want to see such incriminating evidence against him come out now that he gets impeached and removed from office. First of all, we would not get better policies under Pence; his ideas are even worse than Trump's, plus, he has enough competence and enough friends in Congress that he would accomplish much more of the right wing agenda than Trump. But second, and more important, the nation needs to see the consequences of electing a self-serving ignoramus to the presidency. That's the only thing that can protect us from repeating it in the future.
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Post by hoofie on May 10, 2017 6:51:32 GMT -7
Comey needed to be fired. I think Trump should have done that earlier. Of course he should have been fired long ago. But Trump said not long ago that he had confidence in Comey. What it means is that Comey was not fired for what he did months ago during the campaign. He was fired for events happening right now. Two events in particular: (1) it's looking more and more likely that collusion between the FBI and Trump campaign officials will be exposed; and (2) the FBI investigation of the Trump/Russia connection keeps going forward, and getting closer and closer to Trump himself. As much as I dislike Trump, I don't want to see such incriminating evidence against him come out now that he gets impeached and removed from office. First of all, we would not get better policies under Pence; his ideas are even worse than Trump's, plus, he has enough competence and enough friends in Congress that he would accomplish much more of the right wing agenda than Trump. But second, and more important, the nation needs to see the consequences of electing a self-serving ignoramus to the presidency. That's the only thing that can protect us from repeating it in the future. To fire Comey now because "he's getting too close exposing Trump" would be counter productive on Trump's part because it will draw more attention to the subject, not put it to rest. There is push on both sides to appoint a special prosecutor to look into all of this. This could spill into an independent investigation into Hillary and her server, and the former AG meeting with Bill Clinton. Why? Didn't Hillary recently announce that she is now a civilian leader of the resistance? Looks like tit for tat and Trump uses Comey as the fulcrum.
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Post by jiminix on May 10, 2017 8:26:03 GMT -7
To fire Comey now because "he's getting too close exposing Trump" would be counter productive on Trump's part because it will draw more attention to the subject, not put it to rest. There is push on both sides to appoint a special prosecutor to look into all of this. This could spill into an independent investigation into Hillary and her server, and the former AG meeting with Bill Clinton. Why? Didn't Hillary recently announce that she is now a civilian leader of the resistance? Looks like tit for tat and Trump uses Comey as the fulcrum. It might cause a momentary increase in attention, but Trump has proved that he can thrive under negative attention. If it's nothing more than negative attention, it's worthless. I haven't heard any "push on both sides" to appoint a special prosecutor. Democrats have been pushing for it since Trump took office, because the objectivity of both the FBI and of Congress are compromised. My perception has been that Republicans want to keep the investigation in Congress where they can control it, and scuttle it if it begins to damage their party. And keep the White House informed about the investigation, even let the White House direct it, as proved by the Republican chairs of both the House and the Senate investigations.
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Post by jiminix on May 10, 2017 14:50:41 GMT -7
... There is push on both sides to appoint a special prosecutor to look into all of this. ... ... I haven't heard any "push on both sides" to appoint a special prosecutor. ... The NY Times has looked into this question. How Every Lawmaker Has Reacted to Comey’s Firing So FarThe answer is: Number of Republicans advocating a special prosecutor: ZERO (0)John McCain has recommended an "independent CONGRESSIONAL investigation". Whatever that is. Only McCain and 4 other obscure Republicans have mentioned "investigation". Mostly they say things like "Americans deserve an an explanation" "This raises questions" "It is troubling" "I have concerns" etc. etc. We can expect no action at all from Republicans, except cover up.
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Post by osha on May 10, 2017 15:15:05 GMT -7
It's simply a power grab.
Remove the truth to allow the party to prevail. If Trump is found guilty of anything, it inserts drama into the party. By ignoring the issue it will eventually blow over.
So corruption wins and the people lose. Welcome to US politics.
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Post by badman on May 10, 2017 17:38:39 GMT -7
I find it amusing that situations such as this are first derided by the liberal MSM, and then as sure as fire will burn, the liberal politicians come running to express the same talking points. Who is in charge of this party?
Had Comey been unable "to derail the soaring Clinton campaign", and then was fired by Clinton, you can be sure the MSM would not suggest that such was any attempt to protect Clinton. And then you should bet all in that neither would the liberal politicians.
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Post by jiminix on May 10, 2017 20:07:13 GMT -7
I find it amusing that situations such as this are first derided by the liberal MSM, and then as sure as fire will burn, the liberal politicians come running to express the same talking points. Who is in charge of this party? Had Comey been unable "to derail the soaring Clinton campaign", and then was fired by Clinton, you can be sure the MSM would not suggest that such was any attempt to protect Clinton. And then you should bet all in that neither would the liberal politicians. Just because conservatives need their talk radio to find out what they should think, don't project that liberals similarly need someone to do their thinking for them. Liberals have actual positions on issues, not just knee-jerk reactions like today's conservatives. If Clinton had won the election, Comey would probably have been fired by Obama before she ever took office. Comey was guilty of breaking long-standing bipartisan Justice Department rules against publicly discussing investigations during the last 60 days before an election. He expected to be fired for it, and I believe he thought this would give him the publicity and name recognition he needed to run for governor of New York in 2018. Since Clinton lost, there was no reason for Obama to fire him. If Clinton had won and Obama didn't fire Comey, Clinton certainly would have fired him for his near-treasonous violations of DOJ rules. And it would not be to "protect Clinton" as you say, because Comey and the other Republicans had already done their worst, riding the email hobby horse ad nauseum for 2 years (and Benghazi for 4 yrs). After countless investigations all finding nothing, there certainly was nothing new on these topics for Clinton to be "protected" from.
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Post by hoofie on May 11, 2017 5:18:40 GMT -7
LOL. Here are the Democrats from October, 2016 to recently
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Post by jiminix on May 11, 2017 7:54:31 GMT -7
That video, like most things from conservatives these days, tries to twist the truth into a lie.
Comey deserved to be fired for his actions during the 2016 campaign. That's what all those Democrats in the video above are talking about. Those clips were all from the Obama administration, before Trump ever took office. That firing they recommended never happened. Democrats accepted that, and I don't recall Democrats urging Trump to fire Comey. When Trump took office, he was praising Comey for his investigations of Clinton, with the exception of Comey not finding grounds for criminal charges.
After it became clear that the Republicans of the Congressional committees investigating the Russian electoral subversion were either taking their orders from the White House or unwilling to oppose the WH, that left the FBI investigation as the only real game in town. Comey's own ambitions at least tempered his loyalties to the Republican Party and Trump. He wasn't willing to be Trump's lackey. Democrats didn't like Comey, but they knew it was getting increasingly hard to find any govt official who wasn't under Trump's thumb.
After failing in its mission to discredit Democrats, the video above ultimately becomes an indictment of Trump himself. It shows Trump's statement about the firing, saying he was doing it based on the "recommendations of AG Sessions and Deputy AG Rosenstein". That was a blatant lie, we learn in today's news. Trump had grown increasingly agitated by Comey's focus on Russia, and on Monday told Reince Priebus, Steve Bannon, and Donald McGahn that he was ready to fire Comey. He called in Sessions and Rosenstein and told them to make the case for firing him. Today it comes out that Rosenstein threatened to resign after Trump's statement made it look like the DOJ was the instigator of the firing.
The man is simply incapable of telling the truth. He is always running a scam.
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Post by hoofie on May 11, 2017 8:42:49 GMT -7
So you concur that the Democrat's opinion of Comey's job security changed when the Republican president was sworn in. Those clips are Congressional members, not Obama administration lackeys.
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